Hooks and baiting hooks for chunking

locvetter

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Chunking for big tuna is not yet part of my life experience.

I see the picture in Jeff's book with the hook hidden and a swivel showing. I am laboring under the notion that a big circle hook needs to be exposed to be effective, yet get the notion from somewhere that hiding the hook can be important.

What hook do people use for chunking?
Swivel, ring, nothing?
Hide it in the bait or leave point and eye exposed?
How big a chunk - match the chum line, or depends on the hook?
Photos?
 

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Match the chunks in the chum. Quick Rig chunking swiveled circle hook.
 
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There was a good thread on here about chunking a year or two ago. You should use search feature and you will probably get more info from it than a new thread will bring.

Don't use a hook with a swivel attached (you will find respected fishermen on both sides of the fence on this one). You want that end being easily concealable. Bury the hook in the bait but make sure the point and the barb are outside and have enough clearance to find their way home in the corner of the jaw. A lot of good hook options out there.

Read the old thread you will like it.
 
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Very limited experience but one success. Buck Ninety-One in January. I used 8/0 and 9/0 ringed Super Mutu hooks. Ringed, maybe not necessary but it's what I had. Crimped to some 200 lb mono with a swivel on the other end. Using a knife to cut a slit on the skin side sure makes it easier and keeps from squashing your chunk. Keeping it in the chunk line is important. Length of soak? Others know more than I. Too much current is worse than little or no current. Good luck.

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If you want to catch a lunker, be a chunker. :)
 
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I haven't done the long drift/chunk before but have found success with no swivel, burying the hook with the tip exposed (no silver/shiny hooks) and tossing a small scoop of chunk out first to which I then cast my bait into as well. Pretty effective when the fish are around the boat.
 
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I learned how to chunk form rolls/ and Tim ecstrom always said stealth is best. there is definitely a technique and strategy that goes Ito chunking.
it is not justly think I will try chunking.
the conditions and the length of the trip and the passengers will dictate your chunking strategy.
I like to go straight f/c. big sharp j hook/lots of big chunks is how I have hooked all of my really big ones. I have landed 2 of them.
I like the j hook because of the chunks
but you can loose them if they get slack and throw the hook. need a super big barb and sharp hook
 
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Don't be embarrassed, we are here for open discussion. There were a couple of other good ones if you search Chunking. Also there was a thread about favorite cow hooks that went 7 or 8 pages and if I remember correctly there were several good pages on chunk.

I was on a trip with Wahoodad about 2 years ago and was having a very tough time getting bit. The chunk was giving up a few fish here and there so I grabbed my chunk rig and dropped in. Didn't take long and I was hooked up. I used a Trokar with about 4 feet of 200# fluoro and a swivel above that.

I couldn't buy another chunk bite after that because there was one guy who was catching them all. No joke he caught at least 5 or 6 back to back to back. I looked at his rig and he was using an old dull drab 7691 probably about a 8 or 9/0 but the finish was very flat. It almost matched the shade of the chunks perfectly. My hook was a bright black. Even though I was careful to bury my hook I couldn't help but think that the shiny black business end might have averted some potential customers.
 

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I am no expert at chunking! I try, though, and I believe both that you want your hook buried and stealthy inside the chunk, and also that having a swivel keeps your line from getting too much twist in it.

So what I do is use a 6' leader of fluoro, with my hook on one end and a good (ball bearing) swivel on the other. I tie the swivel to the end of my main line. It is my belief that the fish don't associate the swivel with the chunk, but I don't have any evidence of that.

Oh, I really like Trokar 619 circle hooks for chunking, because it seems the point cuts its way out of the chunk more easily than with other hooks. But again, that's just my own take.
 
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locvetter

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There is actually some not yet emphasized information here, I see:
  • Bury the hook in the chunk, but be the sure it can come out when called upon
  • Dull colored hook, not shiny black or shiny silver
  • Ball bearing swivel, either at hook or a few feet up
  • Fluoro to the hook
  • Have the bait sink like the other chum chunks
  • Consider the the sharks might be deeper than the tuna
Thanks for your help everybody!
 

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When fishing a chunk with skin patch for flash. Cut a small slit in the skin. Insert hook through the skin cut slit with hook point exiting towards the meat. Soft bite.

Purplefish and mack family have a high oily scent trail

Band wagoned when a tuna mentor went to chunk. First chunk ever dropped got bit. His a cow mine a 170ish. Same group of fish for 4 anglers chunk bites came through and then vanished. Glad I bandwagoned before any chunk bites.

I would imagine a chunk line is non aggressive and the fish are not fired up releasing adrenaline rushes that cloud the thinking.. Once chunk fish are hooked simultaneously good chance the other fish in the chunk line get spooked
 

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Purplefish and mack family have a high oily scent trail
Thanks so much for the interesting post. What’s a purplefish??
Thanks!
 

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I looked at his rig and he was using an old dull drab 7691 probably about a 8 or 9/0 but the finish was very flat. It almost matched the shade of the chunks perfectly. My hook was a bright black. Even though I was careful to bury my hook I couldn't help but think that the shiny black business end might have averted some potential customers.
Good observation. Could be time of day added there too.
 

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The color of a 7691 resembles a chunk more and blends in better then black shiny. Cool n thanks
 
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Cubeye

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There is actually some not yet emphasized information here, I see:
  • Bury the hook in the chunk, but be the sure it can come out when called upon
  • Dull colored hook, not shiny black or shiny silver
  • Ball bearing swivel, either at hook or a few feet up
  • Fluoro to the hook
  • Have the bait sink like the other chum chunks
  • Consider the the sharks might be deeper than the tuna
Thanks for your help everybody!
I agree.
How about circle vs. J hooks?
Mono vs. fluoro?
Ball bearing swivel vs. no swivel?
How do you get your chunk to sink with the non-hooked chunks? Or does it really matter?

Keep in mind that everything you add to your terminal rig adds weight, which in turn, will cause your chunk to sink faster than the non-hooked chunks.
 
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I agree.
How about circle vs. J hooks?
Mono vs. fluoro?
Ball bearing swivel vs. no swivel?
How do you get your chunk to sink with the non-hooked chunks? Or does it really matter?

Keep in mind that everything you add to your terminal rig adds weight, which in turn, will cause your chunk to sink faster than the non-hooked chunks.
Balancing the added weight from a hook and a swivel against the resistance from your line, could be a wash. I wonder if we’re right there where we need to be. They say an opportunistic feeder like a Cow Yellowfin will not stray far from a line of chunks to veer left or right, up or down to gobble up your chunk if it sees more coming its way. I’ve been advised on two different ways to drop in. One, right on top of the chunk line and two from the bow, walking it back.
 

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How about,

Not worrying about your rigging as much as fishing the conditions.

Current, wind direction, how the boat is laying on anchor.

Why are some fisherman better than others? Not because they rig better or different.

No - they understand the environment they are operating in.
 

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How about,

Not worrying about your rigging as much as fishing the conditions.

Current, wind direction, how the boat is laying on anchor.

Why are some fisherman better than others? Not because they rig better or different.

No - they understand the environment they are operating in.


Bingo!!!! winner winner sushi dinner.....
 

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Agree with The Professor, the most successful fishermen understand the conditions and ready to change their approach to match but they still understand and apply effective rigging principles. Don’t act like you don’t Mr TFT.
 

dh515

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They say an opportunistic feeder like a Cow Yellowfin will not stray far from a line of chunks to veer left or right, up or down to gobble up your chunk if it sees more coming its way. I’ve been advised on two different ways to drop in. One, right on top of the chunk line and two from the bow, walking it back.
One thing that will shut off your chunk line right quick is another boat anchoring up right in it...:D

Besides having the proper conditions,it takes a lot of dedication and attention from the crew to establish and maintain the chunk line. If they aren’t maintaining it, the fish won’t hang out long. I think that success depends a lot on timing. If the fish are there and they see your chunk, they’ll eat it.

I’m a hide the hook in the meat of the chunk, swivel up the line guy. But I’ve only caught sharks. For this reason, I like a J hook, something like an Owner Offshore 11/0 but depends on size of chunks and 130 fluoro. A shark can bite through that after a short time. Others I’ve seen who have successfully caught tuna like the swivel on the hook.
 

locvetter

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How about,

Not worrying about your rigging as much as fishing the conditions.

Current, wind direction, how the boat is laying on anchor.

Why are some fisherman better than others? Not because they rig better or different.

No - they understand the environment they are operating in.
Ah, the most challenging element of the learning curve! Thank you.
 

Bill W

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How about,

Not worrying about your rigging as much as fishing the conditions.

Current, wind direction, how the boat is laying on anchor.

Why are some fisherman better than others? Not because they rig better or different.

No - they understand the environment they are operating in.
Yep... And i get caught up too in trying the same thing, when fishing is such a dynamic sport. It really changes how you should fish in just minutes. Really like having a few sinkers in my pocket with rubber bands that i can change quick.