Help with rod/reel purchase

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    I’m looking to add a rod/reel to my arsenal. Other than a couple trips this year, I haven’t done much overnight fishing since albacore days. My only good setups are from back in the day and are an 800XL with Sealine 20, 800L with Sealine 30, and an 800M with a Sealine 40. I figure that covers 20#, 30# and 40# single speed outfits. I am looking to add a heavier 2 speed to my arsenal.

    I’m pretty far out of the loop on new gear, but figured a 50-60# setup that could be used as a sinker rig, for yo-yo’ing, and maybe casting at daytime foamers/paddies might be a better choice rather than a 80-100# setup that would probably be used mainly for nighttime jig fishing. I have a 2 day coming up and figured I’d rent a real heavy jig setup.

    That said, I grabbed a JX Raptor on sale at Turners on a whim figuring maybe that would be a good choice for a 50-60# setup. I didn’t pair it with a rod yet, but looked at Graftech, Okuma PCH 801xh and Proteus 8xh as possible rods. I liked the Okuma the best but held off on buying.

    So I’m asking the experts, is the JX Raptor a good all-around reel for fish up to 100lbs? I love the way it feels in my hand but having the extra 200 yards of braid that the LX provides sounds nice, too. Other reels in the $450 range that I should look at? How about those rods? Any advice is really appreciated. I think I’ve read too much, and watched too many videos, and now am just confused haha.

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    terryc.

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    I wouldn't use the 800M with a Sealine 40 as your 40lb for tuna I've always used that reel for schoolie's and paddies with 30. JX is a perfect reel for 40 to 50lb even 60 in a pinch so many choices on rod. I like the UC 8' predator. finding info on your big gun is all over this site.

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    RichG

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    I’d rate the JX as a good 40 pound reel. Maybe 50. A better bet is an HX or HXJ for 50 to 80. As for a rod, I like 7 to 7.5 foot, personally. The haven’t fished the rods mentioned but something rated 60 to 100 pounds would be good. Especially if your going to put a sinker on it. Fill it with 80 pound braid. If you’re close to a fishing tackle store, go test the differences. And yes rent a heavy set up. Call and reserve it.
     
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    The JX Raptor is a great reel, although I’d only fish it up to 50. Any of those rods you mention would be fine. If you want a reel that’d fish 60#+ you could look at a Fathom 40. It’s a very versatile reel that some guys even fish up to 80 with.
     
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    Consider going to the darkside and try a spinning reel. We use the BG5000 for fish up to 65 lbs this year. I'm sure it will handle a bigger fish, but we haven't found the right school. Load it with 50 lb spectra and add a short topshot of 20-80 fluoro. We use 80 lb fluoro for fishing poppers. Lighter lines for bait.

    A good example of the BGs capabilities This was caught on the BG6500

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    Fullboat

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    Thank you everyone for the advice.

    I’m curious why only fishing up to 50# on the JX? Avet says the line range is 30-80, so 50-60 is literally in the middle of the range. Is it a line capacity issue?
     
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    If you want to fish 60# the Fathom 40 nld2 is a very good choice. It can fish 80# in a pinch but the sweet spot is definitely 60#. I have mine paired with a 8'0" UC GP Terminator, love the combo. Fly line, Yo-Yo and Sinker Rig if the "Bigs" aren't around. When the "Bigs" are playing I step up to a Mak 16/UC Centaur combo for 80# sinker rig.
     
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    jfirey2001

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    The JXR is my favorite 50lb bait reel. As stated previously, it has the drag to bump up to 60 in a pinch (or if the fish are eating the paint). But if you are planning to fish 60 on it, line capacity potentially becomes an issue - personally I tend to fish 50 or 80 depending on the fish, may drop to 60 if they are being really line shy with the 80, but you better have enough line when you get hooked up because you are going in at a disadvantage to begin with. This is based on how I fish and obviously it may be different for you and others, but I don’t think I am alone in the 60lb rig is used for line shy fish that you should be using 80 for. As a general rule of thumb, I think it is preferable to drop down line class on a rig (fishing 60 on a typical 80) than bumping up in class.
     
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    RichG

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    Your question about Avet's rating it good. First, the Avet JX and LX are essentially the same reel, the LX has greater line capacity (JX has 400 yards of 65 pound braid and the LX 600 yards of 65 pound braid). Historically the JX and LX came to market before the popularity of braid and when we all used mono.

    As time evolved and braid became popular, heavier drags were added. The current raptors maximum drag at strike are 28 pounds. And therefore if you times by 4 that equals 112 pound line. I really doubt anyone would be fishing 100 pound on a JX or LX raptor.

    Now if you're on a long soak say 50 yards out and get bit by a "big boy," you can get spooled on JX or even an LX. Therefore, my logic is to have a reel with great line capacity with heavier line. That is why I suggested an HX raptor. You can always downsize to a lighter top shot, if you desire.
     
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    I’m looking to add a rod/reel to my arsenal. Other than a couple trips this year, I haven’t done much overnight fishing since albacore days. My only good setups are from back in the day and are an 800XL with Sealine 20, 800L with Sealine 30, and an 800M with a Sealine 40. I figure that covers 20#, 30# and 40# single speed outfits. I am looking to add a heavier 2 speed to my arsenal.

    I’m pretty far out of the loop on new gear, but figured a 50-60# setup that could be used as a sinker rig, for yo-yo’ing, and maybe casting at daytime foamers/paddies might be a better choice rather than a 80-100# setup that would probably be used mainly for nighttime jig fishing. I have a 2 day coming up and figured I’d rent a real heavy jig setup.

    That said, I grabbed a JX Raptor on sale at Turners on a whim figuring maybe that would be a good choice for a 50-60# setup. I didn’t pair it with a rod yet, but looked at Graftech, Okuma PCH 801xh and Proteus 8xh as possible rods. I liked the Okuma the best but held off on buying.

    So I’m asking the experts, is the JX Raptor a good all-around reel for fish up to 100lbs? I love the way it feels in my hand but having the extra 200 yards of braid that the LX provides sounds nice, too. Other reels in the $450 range that I should look at? How about those rods? Any advice is really appreciated. I think I’ve read too much, and watched too many videos, and now am just confused haha.

    Thanks!
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    Penn Fathom 40NLD2 & Okuma PCH Custom 7’4” XXH Rail Rod my choice…
     
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    The JXR is my favorite 50lb bait reel. As stated previously, it has the drag to bump up to 60 in a pinch (or if the fish are eating the paint). But if you are planning to fish 60 on it, line capacity potentially becomes an issue - personally I tend to fish 50 or 80 depending on the fish, may drop to 60 if they are being really line shy with the 80, but you better have enough line when you get hooked up because you are going in at a disadvantage to begin with. This is based on how I fish and obviously it may be different for you and others, but I don’t think I am alone in the 60lb rig is used for line shy fish that you should be using 80 for. As a general rule of thumb, I think it is preferable to drop down line class on a rig (fishing 60 on a typical 80) than bumping up in class.
    Yes to all of this. We found this to be true esp earlier this year during the day...use 80 if you can. At least on party boats, there are just too many things that can go wrong even in the best case, gotta get the fish on deck as quickly as possible. Agree on JXR as favorite 50lb. Maybe i am a wuss, but it is geared pretty high, has a lighter frame and small handle for mean BFT 100lb+, at least on party boats. We caught a 110 this year with JXR, took close to an hour, a true 60 like a Makaira 15T would have been preferable, though, the 40-50 rod was probably the bigger culprit in our case.
     
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    If your not planning on several tuna trips next year I’d just invest in a Penn Fathom 40NLD2 … it’ll hold a lot of 80# backing.
    And it won’t breK your bank account.
    I like the United Composite rods … maybe fish the 40N or either a
    UC 8’ GP Terminator (rating 30-80# ) or a UC 8’ Predator (rating 50-100#)… I like a longer 8’ rod, it if you prefer a 7’6” go for it…
    These will handle most all of the school sized fish … you can fly line sardines, a light sinker rig (4-8 oz), or the smaller sized flat falls (200-320 grams)… both rods above will handle fish over 100#’s … you’ll just have enjoy yourself a little longer at the rail.
    If the big boys show up I grab my Okuma MK 16-20 … paired with either my UC Viper (80-130#), Centaur (60-100#),or my Calstar 775XH (60-120#) … All Rail Rods …
    The Avets are a fine reel … I just know how to work on my Penn’s and Okumas … lots of great rods and reels to choose from…
     
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    2 great combos! I use the JX Raptor for 50# but I have 60# on it now, the panguero at Cedros insisted on 60 so he could pull the fish out of the kelp easier, and it worked fine with that too. Me? I’d rather use 20# of drag with 60# to keep it from getting in the kelp in the first place! I’ll go with my HX Raptor with 60# next year and not sweat it.
     
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    I actually returned the JX and got this exact setup, plus a 25NLD2 with the PCH custom 7’6”XH. Have a 2 day next week and hope to get a chance to break them in 👍
    I have a 25NLD2 as well … last trip I caught a 60# bluefin with it fitted on an 8’ UC RCE DelMar (30-60#) … I was fishing a light 30# top shot and a 4 oz sinker rig… I had a small 1/0 circle Charlie Brown … I even had the captain check/set the drag on that 25N … after I was hooked up after say ten minutes …
    The drag was just set to loose… the 25N has lots of drag.
    Use it … once that fish made its first good run I should have tighten down the drag a bit more … shit I went around the entire boat 3-4 times before we tighten the drag, got my butt kicked !
     
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    I actually returned the JX and got this exact setup, plus a 25NLD2 with the PCH custom 7’6”XH. Have a 2 day next week and hope to get a chance to break them in 👍
    COOL!

    ….Penn Fathom / Okuma PCH Combo is I think the most favorite & popular set up out there today for being the Best Bang for your buck…their Performance has been proven time & time again….

    If you wanna upgrade later on…the Okuma MAKAIRA 15T / United Composites RGP80 TERMINATOR will be Great….also TORQUE 40NLD2 if you like Penn, Dauntless 600 or Valiant BV2-600 if you like Accurate reels.

    Plus a Penn Torque 25NLD2 on a UC RGP80 Tilefish JR…you will never look back.

    Goodluck with your trip & tightlines!
     
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    COOL!

    ….Penn Fathom / Okuma PCH Combo is I think the most favorite & popular set up out there today for being the Best Bang for your buck…their Performance has been proven time & time again….

    If you wanna upgrade later on…the Okuma MAKAIRA 15T / United Composites RGP80 TERMINATOR will be Great….also TORQUE 40NLD2 if you like Penn, Dauntless 600 or Valiant BV2-600 if you like Accurate reels.

    Plus a Penn Torque 25NLD2 on a UC RGP80 Tilefish JR…you will never look back.

    Goodluck with your trip & tightlines!
    Thanks for the great info… you know of what you speak others should take heart…
    I do have a MK 15TII loaded with 550 yds of 60# hollow…
    I usually fish a 60# top shot with it …
    Its fitted to a UC 8’ CX Raptor custom rail rod (60-80#).
    It’s a blessing/life savor if you’ve been having to stand on the rail most of the night … I even have a MK 10II …it’s tough !
    I sold off 7 of my older Penn International’s all tricked out by Cal last year… I opted for the lighter Makaria …
    I did keep one 30T tricked out … my trolling reel…
    And one 12T tricked out w/30 handle, why, sentimental I guess. I even sold 2 Trinidad’s and 8 Newell’s last year+++.
    I still have an Avet HXJ that’s fitted to an old 8’2” Calstar 800H
    E-glass … my old Wahoo jig stick … and it seconds for dropping 16 oz jigs for Lingcod …
    Good input 🎣 🐟👍thanks
     
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