help with a tip-top loose (not broken)

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  1. steelfish

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    Hello Folks,

    I've just bought a rod for muskie fishing (I will use it for big SBB and
    SeaBass 5-8 lb max) and part of the tip-top arrived almost completely loose
    (dont worry I already make a deal with the ebay vendor)

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    I really like to rod in general, and also liked the tip (holographic color),
    as you can see it is not broken just loose, but I really dont know
    if it still can be fixed and most important if it will not fail in a fish fight.

    another picture so you can see this tip is complete
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    it can be welded, glued with gorilla glue or another kind of superglue?

    in the case that I need to buy a new one, what size should I need
    to order?
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    thanks in advance
     
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    That tip is toast, get another one.
    Measure the diameter of blank tip & thats' the size tube the new top
    will need to have. Ring looks like a #8
     
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    Yeah,that tip is pretty much broken.Acidrod.com has a wide selection of tip tops including the holographic tips.Buy a stick of tip glue too.
     
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    Do NOT use hot-melt glue. Use a medium-fast epoxy.

    When you talk to Mud Hole just tell them the measurement you show above.

    Uncle Russ
    Calico Creek Rods
     
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    Who is the rod/blank manufacturer, and model? With that info you can easily determine tip size, and order another from acidrod.com
     
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    ok, tnx for your comments

    then, it's time for a new one
     
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    A new tip is the only way to go.
    Easy, and cheap!
     
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    ok.. I bought a new tip and a stick of tip glue


    the tip fits perfect and the whole job was a piece of cake, i took the old tip out, melt the glue with a lighter and put a lot in the rod tip then put the new tip in, cleaned all the excess of glue and waited one day to let it dry, but now I found out that the new tip is not firm at all it's loose you can turn it around without any effort, you cannot take it out from the rod but it turns around the rod tip easily.

    what I did wrong? the stick of glue was berkley brand and is special for that purpose.

    should I heat the new tip again after put it in the rod to have the glue really hot and melted?

    tnx
     
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    heat the tube of the tip carefully & simply remove.

    what happened depends on the technique you used in the 1st attempt.
    - most likely it was associated with insufficient glue being placed in the tube of the tip
    - but there are other possible causes
    so having got that tip back off again:-
    inspect the rod tip and the tube of the tip to assess which component lost adhesion with the glue.
    the typical cause is that the glue is not hot enough when you put the tip on the first time & it was simply scraped off the join, instead of being smeared in the join.

    Start again;- ( nothing you have done in the first attempt will interfere with the second attempt.............if anything it will help the second attempt. )
    - no need to remove any of the glue from the first attempt, you will just be adding to it in the second attempt.

    with hot melt glue this is a multi-step process to be sure you get it done right.
    - prepare the end of the glue stick by heating & as soon as you can touch it , pull it out like toffee to taper the end to fit inside the tube.( you only need to melt the very end surface of the glue stick to do this ).
    - cut a piece to fit inside the tube loosely ( Note: loosely not tight ) & put it in the tube ( cold).
    - heat the tip tube on its own in your hand ( holding it by the ring)
    -heat the glue & apply more inside the end of the tube.
    - put the tip down on a saucer & reheat the glue stick
    - wipe the glue into the rod tip.
    - put the glue stick down and pick up the tip again & reheat it until the glue is nice and soft.
    - quickly reheat the glue on the tip
    - quickly put the tip on the rod ( twisting it back & forth as you go )
    alignment is not critical at this point..........its simply putting the tip on the rod while the glue is nice & soft ( almost runny soft).
    - align the tip
    -remove excess glue just before it goes fully hard ( basically at the point that the glue does not stick to your finger when you touch it & you don't get burnt.)

    - if alignment is not perfect , simply gently reheat the tip tube until you can twist it into alignment...........don't force it..........heat till it moves easily.

    process control:
    If you cannot hold the tip by the ring in your fingers , you're getting everything too hot.
    If the glue smokes , you are getting it too hot too quick in the flame.

    good luck this time.
     
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    ok Denis, I'll try it later today

    thanks
     
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    ok it's me again with tips problems, braid line made an ugly mark on the tip ring insert (bad for avet rod), so now I need a tipo that can handle a braid line without worries.

    hardloy?
    zirconia?
    titanium nitride?

    wich insert and which brand would you recomend me?


    this comes from an avet rod
    tip mesures are 1/8" ring 21/32" or 20/32 (5/8) long

    also,I dont know how to buy it, in rod parts stores only say
    SIZE
    8 - 6.6
    8 - 5.5

    what size is my tip then?

    thanks in advnce
     
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    The specs read differently in different countries.
    The first number is the ring size the second number is the ID of the tube on the tip.
    No specs on tube length etc,

    In the US the tube diameter is in 64ths of an inch.
    In other markets its usually in millimetres.

    What you need is the diameter of the blank at the tip ( about 1/2" back from the very end of the tip ) in 64ths and the ring size of the tip:-

    eg
    -for a #8 ring and a blank OD at the tip of 10/64..........you would be ordering a tube slightly larger
    ie 8-10 or 8-12
    - for a #8 ring and a blank OD at the tip of 9/64..........you would be ordering a
    tip spec'ed as 8-10.

    I use fuji alconite rings with braid very successfully, they are nice & light too.

    Hope that gives you the idea.
     
  13. steelfish

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    that was very helpful

    thanks Denis
     
  14. steelfish

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    mm then I was doing it wrong,
    My mistake then, when I said ring size I was referring tube size opening.
    so, I need to measure tip "ring" and the rod tip


    what if they send me a tube shorter than the original?
     
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    The worst you are up for is a re-wrap of the decorative wrap on the tip.

    when you change brands its a lucky dip...........if its short , trimming the blank tip a teeny bit to give a neat dry fit to your existing wrap, will not change your rod action by anything you will ever be able to feel or measure............if you are not up for re-wrapping the deco on the existing work.

    chances are the replacement will fit on neatly.
     

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