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Thanks for the props, Captain Aaron Barnhill on the Shogun!



"If you are in any of the upcoming trips make sure you bring the right gear. Two speed reels are a must! No short whippy fiberglass rods. An ideal setup would be a Penn Torque 40 loaded with 80# spectra and a 6.5-7.5 medium heavy or heavy rod rated to fish 50-80# line. That would be your 60# Flurocarbon setup. Next size up would be a Penn International 16 or comparable with 100# spectra and a 6-7 foot rod rated to fish 60-100 for your 80# Flurocarbon. Bring a 100# trolling outfit for fishing the dropper loop and plenty of 16-20 oz sinkers. Any questions about gear email [email protected] and I will do my best to get back to you. -Captain Aaron"
 
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How would the 16vsx work for both applications with 80lb hollow and switch loop to loop leaders as the grade of fish or bite change.



There is a definite difference in the spool weight between a 40N and a 16, using the 40N allows you to get your sardine "way out there" much more easily and quickly.
 
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I fished there last October on a RS 10 day. Used my 16VSX 100# hollow with 80# mono (no need for flouro) no problems getting the bait "out there" stayed hooked up all day.
 
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    I have a 16 vsx I fish with 60lb. Will it fish 80lb with good free spool or do I need to send it to Cal Sheets? I want to respool it with 100lb if it's good to go now.
     
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    I have a 16 vsx I fish with 60lb. Will it fish 80lb with good free spool or do I need to send it to Cal Sheets? I want to respool it with 100lb if it's good to go now.




    The reel fishes 80-pound topshots with good freespool straight out of the box.
    With 100-pound, the drag curve ramps up very quickly, taking away some of the fine gradients of adjustability. Aftermarket work can make a smoother curve.
    However, the inherent strength of the system: gears, anti-reverse dogs, frame, etc can easily handle 100 pound topshots.
     
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    I spent some time at the 2017 Fred Hall how with captain Russ Brazwell of the Shogun, fine-tuning his tackle recommendations specifically for Guadalupe Island trips. Here they are.


    SHOGUN GUADALUPE ISLAND ROD & REEL COMBO RECOMMENDATIONS

    1. 40-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO


    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ30LD2, PENN Fathom FT30LD2 [80 pound braid backing]

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 30-60 pound mono lines

    Applications- Line shy smaller tuna, catching bait

    2. 50-60 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2 [80-pound braid backing]

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 7.5-feet, rated for 30-80 pound mono lines

    Applications- Live bait yellowfin tuna 100-150 pounds

    3. 60-POUND JIGGING COMBO

    Reel- PENN U.S. Senator 113N, PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 40-80 pound mono lines

    Applications- Yo-Yo jigging for yellowtail and tuna

    4. 80-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 16VISX

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 50-100 pound lines

    Applications- Larger grade tuna to 150 pounds-plus

    5. 100-150 POUND DROPPER LOOP COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 20VISX or 30VISX; 100-plus pound braid and 50-150 feet of 130-pound mono

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 80-150 pound lines

    Applications- Heavy-duty dropper looping for yellowtail
     
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    Quick questions...I have never done a trip like this. Why in the world do you need such a heavy outfit for yellowtail? What is "Heavy-duty dropper looping"? Thanks.
     
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    Heavy-duty dropper looping is because the fish are strong and close to structure where they will try to break you off. You need heavy line and high drags to get them away from the bottom before they can take you to the house.
     
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    Yellowtail Dan

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    Quick questions...I have never done a trip like this. Why in the world do you need such a heavy outfit for yellowtail? What is "Heavy-duty dropper looping"? Thanks.

    Because you have to fish with the drag buttoned all the way down and not give the fish an inch. The yellowtail down there are a different breed of fish then what you catch up here or along the coast in Baja
     
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    Because you have to fish with the drag buttoned all the way down and not give the fish an inch. The yellowtail down there are a different breed of fish then what you catch up here or along the coast in Baja
    You don’t want to get “rocked”. Those are Jurassic Yellowtail down there. I got my ass handed to me my first time there this year. Guadalupe was always my dream and I was humbled big time. I’ll be back! I have been working in a very particular set of skills. I will find them and I will kill them.
     
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    There are also large adult BSB and Grouper on the bottom.

    On a charter trip some years ago, one of our guys lost a big fish, BSB or Grouper, that he hooked on the dropper loop with his trolling rig at mid day. He had it on for probably about an hour, and never got it off the bottom. And he is a decent sized guy! Some deckhands even thought he was snagged on the bottom, but the bottom doesn't swim.
     
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    Where would 12VISX fit in a Guadalupe arsenal?



    The 12VISX is the same line capacity as the 40NLD2's, but has a heavier frame.
    It is more of a true 80-pound reel, while the 40N's are more 50/60/80.
    If you already have a 12VISX, it will also handle 60-pound [or even 50-pound] work just fine, but if you are looking to purchase, the fish have not been hitting 80-pound that well lately, so the TRQ40NLD2/FTH40NLD2 would probably be the better choice.
     
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    As I look at the suggested reels I also see a lot of Posts showing people using the Torque 15XNLD with nice size fish from Gaudalupe. I think the suggested tackle should also include tackle for those days when the bite is finicky.
     
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    As I look at the suggested reels I also see a lot of Posts showing people using the Torque 15XNLD with nice size fish from Gaudalupe. I think the suggested tackle should also include tackle for those days when the bite is finicky.

    I used one on my last trip and landed an 80lb+ fish on it with no problem. Great little real which is perfect as a 40lb finesse reel there
     
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    So I booked my first Guadalupe trip and I've got a daiwa Lexa 400 for casting surface irons- #40
    Avet mxl raptor- #50
    Penn spinfisher 10500 for fun- #50
    Avet LX raptor- #60
    Avet hx- #60
    And Avet hxw raptor- #100
    You guys think I'm set for the trip?
     
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    So I booked my first Guadalupe trip and I've got a daiwa Lexa 400 for casting surface irons- #40
    Avet mxl raptor- #50
    Penn spinfisher 10500 for fun- #50
    Avet LX raptor- #60
    Avet hx- #60
    And Avet hxw raptor- #100
    You guys think I'm set for the trip?


    Ha-Ha, I think you need a LOT more PENN reels to make it a perfect trip!
    [this is the PENN forum after all]
     
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    That LX raptor is perfectly fine for 60lb. The regular LX isn't good for 60lb but the LX raptor can put out 38lbs of drag can can fish 60lb with no problem. Last year I used my JX raptor at Guadalupe for 50lb and 60lb and it is the same reel as the LX raptor only narrower.
    Last year the fish at Guadalupe were kind of picky and you had to drop down to lighter line and smaller hooks to get bit. My brother and I caught most of our fish on Penn Fathom 25 and 30 2 speeds. You can fill them with 50lb spectra then fish a 35lb or 40lb fluro leader. If the fish will bite heavier line you can use a bigger reel with 65lb spectra and a 50lb or 60lb fluro leader but last year it was tough to get bit on the heavier line.
    This year might be different but the trend for the last 3 or 4 years has been toward lighter line smaller hooks and smaller reels. When Guadalupe first reopened 4 or 5 years ago you could get bit on 60lb or even 80lb with no problem. Now it is tough to get bit on 50lb and sometimes even on 40lb. Last December guys were dropping down to 30lb to get bit but then it was really tough to get the fish to the boat.
    Dude, the size of the reel makes no difference in getting bit. That’s just dumb. Honestly dumb. If you really want to take the strain of a fish when it’s swimming, you use lighter line to reduce drag and you’re peeling line off the reel rather then letting it freespool so the bait is doing less work. The people who understand that in pressures conditions, are the ones who get bit the most.

    Also, drag is just a number. for an example, a 200 size bass reel can put out 20lbs of drag, but that doesn’t mean that you will fish 50lb on it. The LX Raptors is the same principle. Also something to notice, the frame on that reel wasn’t intended for 60lb use, it was built a 3/0, so think 30-40lb line. Drag is just a number.
     
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