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DaveyK

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Hi all,

Just wondering whether there is any difference between Fuji BNOG vs Alps XN Regular guides?

They both seem to be stainless steel with hard aluminum oxide ring inserts to allow for braid applications. I just want to know whether there is a huge quality difference.

On that note, how much better are Alconite guides compared to hard alum oxide guides? Should I be spending the extra money for Alconite or SiC on rods that will be used for fish less than 40lbs. Does anyone have a simple chart or list with a top to bottom rank of preference/quality?

Thank you for your time. For context, I am on my 1st rod build and overthinking every single thing 🤦‍♂️😵. I currently have a set of Alps XN regulars on hand.

DaveyK
 

spongehead

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whichever u can get cheaper. fuji/alps are pretty close (newer ones of course) im a fuji guy. i like using a fuji alconite tip just for a little extra hardness for $3 difference.
alconites are nice. are they worth the higher price on a full set? up to u. i prefer the bnogs unless ur fishing in the surf where line can pickup sand (quartz) id go with alconites or above.
bnogs frame and ring are strong enough for even 60-80 work. my friend caught a few cows on a cutdown super seeker ss80xh with fuji k-guides no issues.
i like using the bhnogs or sinII rings just looks kooler on stouter blanks.
 
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skrilla

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    Hi all,

    Just wondering whether there is any difference between Fuji BNOG vs Alps XN Regular guides?

    Yes. Alps left, Fuji right... both size 16. To be fair the Fuji MN frame better compares in line with the Alps XN as it features their Deep-Pressed ring frame.

    Notice the difference in height as well as foot spacing.
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    Notice the difference in the thickness of the front leg.
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    Notice where the back legs meet the ring frame.
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    They both seem to be stainless steel with hard aluminum oxide ring inserts to allow for braid applications. I just want to know whether there is a huge quality difference.

    Alps is 316 SS. Fuji I believe is 304. Without diving into a metallurgy debate, in my experience they both resist corrosion just fine... with care. I've seen both types develop rust when used and abused.

    Both Alps H ring and Fuji Concept O ring will satisfy demands of using braid just fine under normal fishing conditions.

    On that note, how much better are Alconite guides compared to hard alum oxide guides? Should I be spending the extra money for Alconite or SiC on rods that will be used for fish less than 40lbs. Does anyone have a simple chart or list with a top to bottom rank of preference/quality?

    Fuji info here... https://anglersresource.net/read/fuji-features/

    and for comparison,

    Alps info here... https://alpsforecast.com/technology/materials/

    The difference in performance is probably best noticed with fisherman really, I mean REALLY in tune with their gear. Basically a small percentage of fishermen who make casts all day, or spends a lot of time in the fight.

    Thank you for your time. For context, I am on my 1st rod build and overthinking every single thing 🤦‍♂️😵. I currently have a set of Alps XN regulars on hand.

    DaveyK

    Hard to go wrong with Alps. Easy to go wrong with cheap knock offs. I've rewrapped a number of my earlier rods because like many, I didn't want to dive too deep money wise into a new hobby. Now it has cost me time to strip and rewrap because I was trying to save 10-20 bucks on a set of guides.
     

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    They are both serviceable guides. I have a few rods with bnogs that have 100+ tunas to their credit. When it comes to tip tops I prefer fuji.
     
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    Hector Garcia

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    I love the Alps, and not a bad price point. But, theres a reason I just ordered 200$ worth of Fuji BNOG guides. Ive used them on everything from 6lb to 50lb without issues. Im going to switch to Alps if Fuji does end up removing black guides from their catalog. So far, everyone has them on clearance, so we will see.
     
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    DaveyK

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    I appreciate all the advice from everybody. Thank you.

    Yes. Alps left, Fuji right... both size 16. To be fair the Fuji MN frame better compares in line with the Alps XN as it features their Deep-Pressed ring frame.

    ...

    Hard to go wrong with Alps. Easy to go wrong with cheap knock offs. I've rewrapped a number of my earlier rods because like many, I didn't want to dive too deep money wise into a new hobby. Now it has cost me time to strip and rewrap because I was trying to save 10-20 bucks on a set of guides.

    @skrilla Thank you for the in depth analysis, it was very helpful.

    This really clears up a lot. I'm going to stick with the Black Alps XN Regular I have then. The rod I'm building is a Calstar 270-8h for live bait and I had put a fuji grip on there so I just wasn't sure if I wanted to buy guides to match. The black alps you hardly see the the ALPS lettering on them, and I really just want it to perform well.

    I will probably buy some MNOG and NOG's just to have and see and feel the difference for future builds.

    I'll post pics when its all done.

    Thank you all!

    DaveyK
     
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    spongehead

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    yes i also apologise, i assumed op was comparing apples to apples. bmnog is the right guides to compare to alps xn aluminum oxide.

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