FTH 25N and Carn 700ML

Texlee

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My 30# bait rig is a Fathom FTH 25N and Carnage 700 ML. I go on a 10 dayer the latter part of Sept. It's looking like the live bait will be mostly anchovies unless something changes. I'm not sure i can toss an anchovie without sending him to the wild blue younder. Should I think about a FTH 12 or 15 with a 700ML or go to an 8' rod? I already own the FTH 25N and 700ML...I dont have problem buying another rig. I want to be ready. Appreciate any replies.
 

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I have the 15 on an 800xl and really dig the setup. Casting a choivy shouldn't be an issue with that setup.
 

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I think 8' is the way to go FWIW.

Prepping the bearings on both of them (ie 15/25) would be worth it. Reality is that on an 8 day you may want more capacity than a FTH 15 may have.

Small rubber core sinkers and...maybe...a spinner. :)
 

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The 800XL or 800L rods would probably do better with anchovies.
I've caught plenty of wahoo on my 800XL's, but if 50-pound grade tuna are about, the 800L has a lot more beef.
The 12 size reel casts like a dream, but the extra line capacity of a 15 is important for LR use.
As JT mentions, once the tuna are over 50 pounds, you will likely get pretty skinny on line capacity.
 

Texlee

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The 800XL or 800L rods would probably do better with anchovies.
I've caught plenty of wahoo on my 800XL's, but if 50-pound grade tuna are about, the 800L has a lot more beef.
The 12 size reel casts like a dream, but the extra line capacity of a 15 is important for LR use.
As JT mentions, once the tuna are over 50 pounds, you will likely get pretty skinny on line capacity.

So Steve you would recommend a 2nd Fathom 25N along with an 800L with 50# solid and a short piece (4') of floro for the chovies as my go to rig...and also have the 25N and 700ML for a "back up" just in case I birdsnests the go to rig?
 

Texlee

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I think 8' is the way to go FWIW.

Prepping the bearings on both of them (ie 15/25) would be worth it. Reality is that on an 8 day you may want more capacity than a FTH 15 may have.

Small rubber core sinkers and...maybe...a spinner. :)
JT, what oz of sinkers and what type of spinners? Some of the posts are recommending megabaits. Never been out in the Pacific...help me.
 

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JT, what oz of sinkers and what type of spinners? Some of the posts are recommending megabaits. Never been out in the Pacific...help me.
Don't worry about the Megabaits, I've got a bunch and you can borrow one if you want to try one out.
 

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JT, what oz of sinkers and what type of spinners? Some of the posts are recommending megabaits. Never been out in the Pacific...help me.
Not to worry Albin. All of the above are available at the landing when you get there and YES they open early LOL.

Rubber core sinkers are small lead that can be twist onto the leader. They can be used to cast Anchovies away from the boat if needed:

http://www.eagleclaw.com/product/sinkers-and-weights/steel-rubber-core-sinker

And "Lazer Minnows" are just small iron with a nice unique action:

http://p-line.com/hard-baits/laser-minnow

None of which are deal breakers or strictly required, just nice options to have that can increase your chances given current bait situation.

Anchovies are imitated by the Lazer Minnows etc. so if the boat is chumming Chovies then you have iron in that size is the idea.
 

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So Steve you would recommend a 2nd Fathom 25N along with an 800L with 50# solid and a short piece (4') of floro for the chovies as my go to rig...and also have the 25N and 700ML for a "back up" just in case I birdsnests the go to rig?

I don't mean to speak for Steve but I think he is just laying out the options.

If you get a FTM 15 it will be great for casting chovies but just might be a little small if a certain grade is present.

You can often be over schoolies 15-25lbs and the 15 and an 8 footer will be dreamy as a dedicated chovie rig for them and at Cedros where you will likely fish for at least some of the time.

If you make larger bait then the 25N and the 700ML will be the one you fish the most.
 

Texlee

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I don't mean to speak for Steve but I think he is just laying out the options.

If you get a FTM 15 it will be great for casting chovies but just might be a little small if a certain grade is present.

You can often be over schoolies 15-25lbs and the 15 and an 8 footer will be dreamy as a dedicated chovie rig for them and at Cedros where you will likely fish for at least some of the time.

If you make larger bait then the 25N and the 700ML will be the one you fish the most.

Mighty good doc t, apprectiate both replies.
 

tunanorth

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Lots of good replies already, I can't add a lot.
There is always a dilemma when there are 50-plus pound tuna and the only bait is anchovies.
Back in the day, we regularly got our butts handed to us on lighter tackle, or simply got zero bites on heavier gear.
There really are no ideal options.
If plus-size tuna don't seem to be around, I like that 15-size. if you are using 30-pound topshots, you can drop down to 40-pound braid instead of 50 and get a bit of needed extra yardage.
If you are going with 25-pound topshots you can dip to 30 pound braid and get a lot more yardage [over 400 yards of a 15 size reel], but I am of the opinion you want your braid to be one "bump" above your topshot test.
Ultimately the 25N size does give you a ton more yardage, so its your call.