For a Penn VISX 12, how much difference would a rod like a Penn Carnage III CARWCIII40100C78 make over the cheaper Penn Slammer SL3080C66?

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    So I recently invested in buying a Penn VISX 12, and upcoming 1.5 and 3 day sport boat trips out of San Diego.

    I already own a Penn Slammer conventional rod, (SL3080C66), rated for 30-80lbs line weight.

    I am debating if it would be worth the money to buy a Penn Carnage III or not, if I did it would probably be the CARWCIII40100C78 since its seems more versatile than the heavier options, and I am just starting to acquire quality offshore capable gear.

    I'm spooling the Penn VISX 12 reel with 80lb braid, and planning to use it mainly for knife/flat fall jigs at night for the hopefully big bluefin. May also want to tie on a fluorocarbon leader and try some bait fishing with it during the daytime if bigger tuna are around.

    Thoughts?
     
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    ^ I think the difference would be in the length of the two rods and their respective actions. I recently bought a VISX12 too and plan to mate it to that 4010078 rod.

    I've seen and pulled on the rod. I like that it has a soft tip with a nice bend but shuts off distinctively. Definitely has the back bone.

    So keep this in mind vs. just considering the rods' line ratings.
     
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    IMO the Slammer SL3080C66 doesn't fish as an 80# rod. You will probably appreciate the backbone of the Carnage, as well as the additional length for casting if you are planning to also use it as a bait setup. That reel is badass, and it seems that you already knew the answer when you posted the question - get the Carnage, upgrade the stick and you won't regret it. Of course, what kind of answer did you expect in this forum :D
     
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    Assume you have one of the old "white blank" Slammer rods.
    They were very well-made, but were designed in the monofilament era, and have been discontinued for going on a decade.
    As noted by other posters, this rod will not fish 80 properly at all, and is a bit shorter than ideal both for casting baits, but also a little short for holding the line away from the boat when the fish is doing big circles.
    They are pretty nice rods though, and you may want to hang onto it for medium duty trolling with maybe 50 pound test, shark fishing, or general bottom fishing duties.
    If you have one of the newer Slammer rods that has a black, grey, or other dark-colored blank, they are made to sell in combos at big box stores, and are of substantially lower quality than the "white" Slammers, and the new Carnage III models.
     
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    Assume you have one of the old "white blank" Slammer rods.
    They were very well-made, but were designed in the monofilament era, and have been discontinued for going on a decade.
    As noted by other posters, this rod will not fish 80 properly at all, and is a bit shorter than ideal both for casting baits, but also a little short for holding the line away from the boat when the fish is doing big circles.
    They are pretty nice rods though, and you may want to hang onto it for medium duty trolling with maybe 50 pound test, shark fishing, or general bottom fishing duties.
    If you have one of the newer Slammer rods that has a black or other dark-colored blank, they are made to sell in combos at big box stores, and are of substantially lower quality than the "white" Slammers, and the new Carnage III models.
    Thanks for the info, but what is meant when it is said that the rod doesn’t fish 80 properly?
     
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    Thanks for the info, but what is meant when it is said that the rod doesn’t fish 80 properly?


    Again, assuming it is one of the older "white" Slammers, they were well made and it probably won't break, but the rod will "bottom out", resulting in no lifting power on the fish at all, and not even any cushioning of the hook in the fishes' mouth.
    If its one of the newer "black/grey" Slammers used in combos, and used with 80 pound on a reel with a powerful drag like a 12VISX, then breakage is very likely if you hook a decent size bluefin.
     
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    30-80# rated rods aren’t 80# rods, a good one is a 50# rod, a low end one is a 30-40# rod.
     
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    30-80# rated rods aren’t 80# rods, a good one is a 50# rod, a low end one is a 30-40# rod.
    Would you say then that the Penn Carnage III rod rated for 40-100 wouldn’t be good for using 80lb?

    Would you move up to an 80-130 rated rod?
     
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    Would you say then that the Penn Carnage III rod rated for 40-100 wouldn’t be good for using 80lb?

    Would you move up to an 80-130 rated rod?



    To clarify, the next "step up" in the Carnage III West Coast rod lineup from the 40-100 model is the 60-100 model, which has a "sweet spot" at 80 pound.
    The 40-100 model has its sweet spot at 60-pound, but will fish 80 pretty well.
    The 80-130 model is ideal with 100-pound lines; its a bit too much rod for a 12VISX.
     
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    Rods vary by manufacturer (in stated line class) due to many factors including materials, mandrel size, taper and length. Some manufacturers build blanks true to rating, most are quite typically over rated. You never really want to trust the rating, the best way to determine for yourself is to pull on them. If you go to a shop you can talk to someone knowledgeable that can help you select a perfect match for your new VISX12. You might be disappointed with the performance (and quite possibly lose fish) if you keep the match that you currently have with the Slammer rod. So now you get to shop for a new rod for the VISX 12, and a new reel for the slammer~! It's win win lol
     
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    Buy the West Coast Carnage III rod. You will not be disappointed!

    They were tested in part, right here in San Diego on some our selected long range boats. A lot of time was invested in the design and final production of this "West Coast" series of rods. They are the most modern rods out there right now as they were just released. Good Luck!
     
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    Buy the West Coast Carnage III rod. You will not be disappointed!

    They were tested in part, right here in San Diego on some our selected long range boats. A lot of time was invested in the design and final production of this "West Coast" series of rods. They are the most modern rods out there right now as they were just released. Good Luck!
    I got it, will try to remember to report back later this season if it really works well or not
     
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