Flatfall techniques

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  1. DMcD

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    Hey all: I've had no experience fishing butterfly or flatfall jigs. I've seen the butterfly's fished with varying success, and so I'm familiar (more or less) with that style of fishing. But how do you all fish the flatfall jigs? And is the Colt Sniper also considered a flatfall jig? If not, do you fish this differently? Maybe by the time I get out on my 6-day in October, I can actually find some of these things in stock somewhere, and try them out. Thanks ahead for the wisdom.

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    I had success last week fishing them just like a Yoyo jig. Pitch or cast it out, let it sink for a while, then reel it in. Both have action on the drop and retrieve.

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    Last year I'd cast it out and would remove most of the loop from the line. Once I was back in contact with the lure, I'd make a big sweeping pull with my rod and would reel back down to the lure. In every case, I got hit on the fall.
     
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    Add a split ring to the flat fall you wont loose them as easy and helps with the fall also yes you need to move it once in awhile and big sweeping pulls are they way to go remember keep in contact if you dont feel anything you are bit wind down and set the hook
     
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    Colt snipers are best fished like butterfly jigs
     
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    Flat fall jigs are getting most of the hits on the fall. Butterfly jigs get most of the hits on the retrieve. I like the Shimano flat sided butterfly jigs. They seem to get bit equally on the fall and the retrieve. A lot of fluttering action on the fall(though not as much as the flat fall) and great action on the retrieve.
     
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    I have had success with various butterfly, colt sniper and flat fall jigs. Short pump and wind action works for the flatside, centervortex and whirligigs and the colt snipers. You can mix in high pitches and let the jigs sink back down. I found that it helps to fish with braid that is multi colored like Daiwa boat braid, Daiwa J braid or the Power pro depth hunter. That will allow you to get back into the zone where you got bit.
     
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    We got back from a 3 day on the Excel a couple weeks ago. My son fished flat falls the whole time. He loves them. He said to tell you let them fall freely and have your thumb ready to prevent a backlash. Sometimes the bite is more subtle, but most of the time it gets nailed. He also said, flat falls get hit on the retrieve too, but mostly on the drop. Glow in the darks worked best for him. I had success with the pink, blue and chrome. Have fun!!!
     
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    I had a talk with the Shimano rep at FH earlier this year. I asked about using ff jigs for rock fishing up here at the Channel Islands. I understand that they should get hit on the fall, but I asked him how you fish them when they get to the bottom w/out being hit. He said they were not made for lift and drop jig fishing. You would need to reel in some, and let them fall again. FWIW.
     
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    I'm not sure I understand why adding a split ring will reduce the chance of losing the jig. Also, would you get better action on the Flatfall if you added a swivel to that split ring??
     
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    Flatfalls are made for lift and drop fishing! Lift the tip up high and let it fall back down. Repeat.
    This what is refered to as a long fall jerk in Japanese jigging. They would normally give the reel a crank or two on each drop to slowly work the water column but a long sweeping lift and drop gets it done too.
     
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    If you have fished any Flat falls you know they have a solid ring to attach the line with Tuna have Teeth hit them with your connection line out 15 bucks per flat fall see how many you loose without a split ring and see the difference adding one ? you don't have to but Shimano is rich enough I think already
     
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    that is exactly how to fish the flat falls.
     
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    Split rings are used so changing jigs out fast. No tying needed you just need a pair of good split ring pliers.
     
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    I hate to be dense, but I still don't understand: A split ring is tiny and will move your line only a half inch or so from the tuna's teeth. Is that enough to make a difference? I'll certainly add a split ring. Also, what about a swivel: Will that help and will it improve the action of the Flatfall? BTW: I'll be fishing Flatfalls for the first time in September.
     
  16. Steve K

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    As suggested elsewhere, I think I will try running the line, (50 or 60 lb fluoro) through the front ring and then through the back ring and tying directly to a 3/0 or 4/0 ringed circle hook. Hopefully that will get the fish hooked and keep the line off the teeth, avoiding the bite off.

    And if it works on my 3 day in September, I'll give that a try with the 200 or 250 gram models in January on the 14 day. Of course with heavier line and bigger hooks.
     
  17. DMcD

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    thanks for all the info. I'll be looking forward to trying them out this fall. Everyone have a great year!

    DMcD
     
  18. fishnfool73

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    We have been fishing them over here for a few years now and the swivel makes a difference in line twist
     
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    Ready for the big ones...7/0 Super Mutu...

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    Ready for the big ones...7/0 Super Mutu...

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    I may be wrong, but I'm not sure that a "circle" style hook (Super Mutu or other) is a good choice for use on jigs.
    The way most jigs are fished is mostly not compatible with how a circle hook is designed to work.
     
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