Flat Fall jigs

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  1. Tymeflyme

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    I would like to get input on the size and color of Flat Fall jigs fisherman been using for Blue fin and Yellow fin. I've read posts fishing flat falls for blue fin but are they as effective on yellow fin. I also read posts of the knock-off flat falls with silver backs being more effective than Shimano flat falls, what's your thoughts.
     
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    I know the knock-offs like " Fall Flat ", will come back ALL silver, no matter what color they started out to be after being chewed by blue fin. A thin coat of clear, self leveling epoxy on the top face helps.
     
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    walkerman I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I know the knock off glow models glow much dimmer than shimano flat falls, and glow for a shorter time. I tested them both at home.
    Seems like you need original shimanos for the glow models, which have been catching early morning bft.
     
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    200g and 250g were usually tied on the captains rod on the 3pak and 4pak I fished on this season
     
  5. vegasandre

    vegasandre I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    for the bigger fish I like the 250gr.

    they really arent that big in size just heavier and easier to get down.

    toast the stock hooks and replace them with a single 7/0-10/0 assist hook at the top of the jig.

    The glow 250 gr has a great glow to it and is pretty strong.

    here is why you replace the hooks- its a report from the pacific queen yesterday:

    "Wow, is all I can say. 8 Blue-fin(1 @ 75, 4 between 100-200, one at 208, ad one at 250). I caught 1 @ 139. I had one BIG one get away, he bent the hook on a Shimano Flat fall after fighting him for an hour and a half.!! Has anyone ever heard of that? Early morning bite was only on flat fall"


    pics attached with primo way to rig flat falls or any other butterfly jig.

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  6. mullet

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    Why not put the hook at the other end?It seems like it would help you keep from getting bit off putting the hook farther from your connection.The only benefit I can see from the rigging pictured is if your worried the split ring is going to fail.
     
  7. DannyNoonan

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    I've got a few of both the Shimanos and the knockoffs - the profiles appear virtually identical, but the major difference is in the quality of the finish. 1 or 2 fish on the knockoff and virtually all of the paint is gone...
     
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    The reason you put the assist hooks on top is because it takes the jig out of play when fighting the fish. Leader basically to hook, and jig dangles.
    Chris
     
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    Cubeye I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Shimano Flat Falls do the same. Kanji jigs, which are the same, have a better finish, but they cost more.
     
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    I can't find the swivel with solid ring. Can you tell us where to get those? Thanks
     
  11. Steve K

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    For a guy like me, who has less than half a dozen of these slow pitch jigs and zero Butterfly style jigs, it's rig it, tie it on and use it. I rerigged the 250 gram Fall Flat jigs I bought for fishing big tuna, seen in another thread, Jig Pop forum. But for guys who just fish jigs, have lots of them and change frequently, this is one of the benefits of that rigging style. They are set up to fish the assist hook and can change the jig utilizing the split ring.
     
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    Google up Owner Taff Swivels... TSS-52

    A bit pricey, but you can find them on eBay...
     
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    Quick Rig makes them.
     
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    I have rigged flat falls and vertical jigs just about every way possible. What's worked best for me with the flat falls, tie main line directly to the integrated ring on top of the jig, a 1/2" weld ring to a 9/0 hook on the bottom jig ring. Hook point on same side as eye. Keep it simple.
     
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    I have seen them rigged where everything is taken off the jig, then the line is run thru the top loop along the jig, thru the bottom loop and the hook is tied directly to the line. The jig slides freely on the line, and when a fish shakes his head, the jig doesn't swing back and forth.



    Watch around 3:50 minutes
     
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    Assist hooks often come on their own welded ring, in which case you can attach the jig, assist hook, and swivel on the same split ring. The swivel is not shown, but you get the idea. [​IMG]


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    Looking at the other method I can see it is potentially better because it keeps the split ring out of the hook to line connection, so maybe disregard my suggestion, LOL
     
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    You can hit these and other jigs with a rattle can of automotive clear coat. Three coats helps.
     
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    I did mine like this, owner stinger siwash. I haven't caught any monsters yet, but the hook up ratio is 100% so far.

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    What size ff jig, and what size hook? Thanks.
     
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