Fishing Rod Too Stiff

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    Is there such a thing for fishing rods being too stiff? Everyone says that rods, fishing line weight and targeted species should match but I have not seen any real disadvantages of using stiffer rods. The reason I am asking is that I want to buy a rod that is rated for 130lb - 200lb and fish it below the rating sometimes with 60lb or 80lb lines because I can't afford to buy a rod for each line class.

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    geebee

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    ... I want to buy a rod that is rated for 130lb+ and fish it below the rating sometimes with 60lb or 80lb lines because I can't afford to buy a rod for each line class.
    personally I would not deviate from (good) manufactures' line rating - find its sweet spot - fish it light or heavy from that spot depending on your needs

    I too like a good bend and tend to fish my Calstars a bump down from max rating versus a bump up where others advise

    My Calstar 760H Grafighter is rated 50-130lb
    it's my 100lb heavy (it has a nice bendo at 30lbs drag where I fish it on the rail) - some may say to much Bendo
    I wouldn't hesitate to fish it at 80 (24lbs drag)
    I would pick a lighter rod for 60 (18lbs drag) though the 760H would handle it and some may even prefer it
     
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    lichenpan

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    personally I would not deviate from (good) manufactures' line rating - find its sweet spot - fish it light or heavy from that spot depending on your needs

    I too like a good bend and tend to fish my Calstars a bump down from max rating versus a bump up where others advise

    My Calstar 760H Grafighter is rated 50-130lb
    it's my 100lb heavy (it has a nice bendo at 30lbs drag where I fish it on the rail)
    I wouldn't hesitate to fish it at 80 (24lbs drag)
    I would pick a lighter rod for 60 (18lbs drag) though the 760H would handle it and some may even prefer it
    Did you ever fish your 760H with 30lb or 40lb lines? If you did, anything odd? This is the answer I am looking for.
     
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    It depends. It might not be a great live bait stick. For the weights you’re talking about, maybe a 50-100 or 60-130 gets you that crossover you’re seeking.
     
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    Did you ever fish your 760H with 30lb or 40lb lines? If you did, anything odd? This is the answer I am looking for.
    no, I have more suited rods for 30-40 (and 60)

    ps: CASTING 760 (6 ft rod) is a short rod for casting and the reels I use on it don't cast for sh*t anyway...I have longer rods for casting
     
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    I little extra bend can prevent the line from snapping when the fish is at the boat and makes a quick jerk, even with lighter drag bad things can happen as it takes a second to pull line. The rod tip is your shock absorber.
     
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    Read this recent posting for a similar-but-different discussion. Jamie @ Bob Sands Tackle talks in depth about the 7'6" UC Viper: "The 76 Viper, in my opinion, is the best combination of slightly softer tip blending into a powerful mid body and very powerful bottom section." Jamie says the 76 Viper can easily fish 80-Unlimited. See the whole discussion here if you like:


    I have a 76 Viper, absolutely love it. Would have no qualms at all fishing it with 80, 100 or 130# leader. I suppose it would work for 60# but, as others have mentioned, I have other more stealthy sticks for this mission. Concerning going heavier, I have never gone heavier than 130# so I have no personal experience there. On my recent trip on Tomahawk I caught 3 Tuna on the Viper; 120, 125 and 185#; the 2 smaller fish were gaffed in less than 10 minutes, the 185 took almost 20 minutes. 28# of drag on the first run, 33# of drag in the middle, 40# of drag for the last 100'. The Viper could definitely go heavier if need be/never even close to bottomed out. As mentioned above, you cannot cast a small sardine very well with a heavy stick. You will also have more difficulty putting a good action on a small jig with a heavy stick.

    To be more responsive to OP question, I have never fished my "Heavies" with light leader. Closest I came was using small hooks and 20# leader on my Tilefish Jr to catch schoolie-sized YFT. The stick got the job done but the fight was not much; the fish were over-matched; however, I did not suffer any pulled hooks or broken line (although I did straighten a #4 Owner fly-liner hook).

    Good luck!
     
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    Lake

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    The bend in your rod helps fight and tire out the fish. The recoil of a bent rod helps you regain line. A flexible rods helps avoid pulled hooks. A higher rated rod will be heavier and more tiresome to fish. You're looking at a rod class that most people don't and won't own.
     
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    JMHO,the rod does not have a brain,the angler if has fished for a time will learn how to make do for the trip.I have casted 6ft stiff rods with jigs and had to learn to let out more line.Casting a light bait on a stiff short rod you learn to underhand.ADAPT for the day.Tom
     
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    Read this recent posting for a similar-but-different discussion. Jamie @ Bob Sands Tackle talks in depth about the 7'6" UC Viper: "The 76 Viper, in my opinion, is the best combination of slightly softer tip blending into a powerful mid body and very powerful bottom section." Jamie says the 76 Viper can easily fish 80-Unlimited. See the whole discussion here if you like:


    I have a 76 Viper, absolutely love it. Would have no qualms at all fishing it with 80, 100 or 130# leader. I suppose it would work for 60# but, as others have mentioned, I have other more stealthy sticks for this mission. Concerning going heavier, I have never gone heavier than 130# so I have no personal experience there. On my recent trip on Tomahawk I caught 3 Tuna on the Viper; 120, 125 and 185#; the 2 smaller fish were gaffed in less than 10 minutes, the 185 took almost 20 minutes. 28# of drag on the first run, 33# of drag in the middle, 40# of drag for the last 100'. The Viper could definitely go heavier if need be/never even close to bottomed out. As mentioned above, you cannot cast a small sardine very well with a heavy stick. You will also have more difficulty putting a good action on a small jig with a heavy stick.

    To be more responsive to OP question, I have never fished my "Heavies" with light leader. Closest I came was using small hooks and 20# leader on my Tilefish Jr to catch schoolie-sized YFT. The stick got the job done but the fight was not much; the fish were over-matched; however, I did not suffer any pulled hooks or broken line (although I did straighten a #4 Owner fly-liner hook).

    Good luck!
    Thanks a lot. Your response is exactly what I was looking for.
     

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    You will really figure it put when you become chronologically gifted. New rods do allow us old guys to boat just as many if not more than the young stud bucks. By then you’ll have more coin and figure it out!! A 200 plus pound tuna will also help you get there. Get out soon while they are still here. May not return in your lifetime and that is for real. Also helps the wife understand just a lil better. Best of luck to you!
     
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    Thanks a lot. Your response is exactly what I was looking for.
    If you ask a question to enough people, argue your point long enough and search long enough on the internet, eventually you can find someone to give you the response your looking for...even though the other 98% will disagree unanimously.
     
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    lichenpan

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    If you ask a question to enough people, argue your point long enough and search long enough on the internet, eventually you can find someone to give you the response your looking for...even though the other 98% will disagree unanimously.
    So are you saying that most people disagree with 2Rotten's comment? Why? I thought it made sense.
     
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    Me and the homies on a wfo calico bite.

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    I don't have the answers. I still don't know what the real disadvantages that can't be mitigated are when using stiffer rods.
    Theirs not, Just personnel preference. Some people like to spend money and look cool by having a bunch of rods and reels.
     
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