F'ing dumbasses in our govt...

Discussion in 'Washington Fishing Reports' started by TooManyHobbies, Dec 4, 2014.

  1. outtadablu

    outtadablu Gettin' Ready to go KILL some fishes

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    This is how fucked up it has become...[​IMG] read the middle sign. WTF
     
  2. dragonballs

    dragonballs I'm off probation

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    Hold on boys this is going to get worse. this opened the door for more laws to come....
     
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  3. Odin7

    Odin7 Odin7

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    Vance, sadly, you couldn't be more right.
     
  4. Glad Wrap

    Glad Wrap I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I do hope that the people that voted in favor of this are also looking to purchase falres and cartridge fired nail guns.

    This can be fixed and I hope will be, won't happen overnight.

    Fucked up place we live in.
     
  5. dragonballs

    dragonballs I'm off probation

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    to protect people from getting firearms they would have been smarter to mandate safes for those that own guns... gun violence and public safety will not be reduced because of the new law.
     
  6. “biteme”

    “biteme” Killin kings

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    Except the liberals that run our state would want the key to our safe and forget to give us a copy
     
  7. Odin7

    Odin7 Odin7

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    Actually, they want to have the safes and associated codes in their possession.
     
  8. Hunter Dan

    Hunter Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I have not pulled flares or flare guns off the shelf at Ed's Surplus and all of my 2015 order forms, some of which were printed after the election, still have flares and flare guns in them. The Orion and Datrex reps at the trade shows had no concern. Sounds like West Marine has some cowards or 594 supporters in management.
     
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  9. 26grumpy

    26grumpy who hooked who

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    Don't dispose of your expired flares.

    To be legal you need a minimum of 2 non-expired signal flares.

    It is legal to keep expired flares on your boat as long as you put ALL expired flares in a bag separate from the non-expired AND label the bag "EXPIRED DO NOT USE"

    My last two inspections/inspectors were stoked to see my bagged flares and told me I had my shit together like few others.

    The key to compliance is separate and LABELED.
     
  10. Carl

    Carl Bridesmaid,,,,,,,Again

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    Well, at least you guys have the nice weather up there. :Poop_and_Run:
     
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  11. rickstah

    rickstah Well-Known "Member"

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    This is from West's website..

    "12-Gauge flare gun rockets your signal into the sky

    Designed for lake and coastal boating use. Pull the trigger for instant signaling power. Features a corrosion-resistant 12-gauge safety launcher with lifetime warranty and bandolier that can hold up to six high-performance signals. Includes four red 12-gauge high-performance aerial flares that burn at 16,000 candlepower for 7 seconds and reach 500'. USCG-approved for day and night.

    NOTE: Not for sale in Washington State."


    In looking at the 594 text, it reads:

    (9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
    (10) "Gun" has the same meaning as firearm.

    So, by definition of the Initiative, a flare gun meets these standards.

    Also, can we get the title changed to "F'ing dumbasses amongst us."
     
  12. Carl

    Carl Bridesmaid,,,,,,,Again

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    Isn't it federal law to have a flare gun on your boat?

    Doesn't federal law trump state law in such cases?

    I'm not sure of those answers and couldn't afford to litigate the issue. However, I'm willing to bet that no legit boater gets in trouble for having flares aboard.
     
  13. rickstah

    rickstah Well-Known "Member"

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    I would say contact your state lawmakers and urge them to act on this due to the unintended fallout. Just don't go lending your Hilti gun to your buddy in the meantime. ;)
     
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  14. Swede

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    It seems that I-594 denies our constitutional right of safety by blocking access to flares.
     
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  15. Kingcg1990

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    The fact that they won't sell flares anymore is a huge issue. The whole initiative is fucked, but the problem is its going to cost someone their life to make a change. A flare gun is a safety tool, which is necessary for boating. Someone won't have a signaling device when they're in distress and won't be able to signal for help. Fucking idiots. I just hope the change isn't written in blood...
     
  16. Hunter Dan

    Hunter Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I have called my flare supplier and they have received absolutely no notice that the status of flare guns has changed. As a FFL dealer any and all items requiring background checks have loads of hoops and paperwork to jump through, tracking said items from manufacturer to middleman to dealer to end user (purchaser). None of this happens with 12 guage flare pistols. You order them ,they ship, you sell them over the counter. If I-594 legally changed the status of these items, as well as nail guns and such, the manufacturers would require notice first, so they would be able to comply with the new restrictions the day the law took effect. I believe, and would argue that flare and nail guns fall under RCW 70.74.010 (22) The term "propellant-actuated power device" shall be held to mean and include any tool or special mechanized device or gas generator system which is actuated by a propellant or which releases and directs work through a propellant charge.
     
  17. Titan

    Titan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I believe federal law says you have to have day time and night time signaling devices. It does not mandate rocket flares specifically. You can comply through other means, e.g. hand-held flares.
     
  18. Kingcg1990

    Kingcg1990 Member

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    Carl you are correct. The problem is being unable to attain the flares. Which raises one question, is it just flare guns that aren't for sale? Or are the other types still available? It'll be pretty interesting when someone gets a violation from the coast guard because they aren't able to purchase flares...
     
  19. TunaHore

    TunaHore World Champion Boat Ho

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    Can we talk about fishing again.......otherwise there is going to be a genocide on kittens this winter.
     
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    Damnit Tuck, we can't go fishing without our flares! We need to riot on the streets and demand equal equality access to flares.
     
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