Favorite yoyo or surface iron reels?

johndtuttle

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I was just at a tackle shop asking the same as OP. They recommended an Okuma Cedros Star Drag Reel. I asked the shop employee "what are you using for surface irons?" he said an old Newell and he does not know what he will do if it ever breaks and that nothing casts better. So I went and found a NEWELL 229-5 and mounted it to my new COUSINS CJB 80M-CT (holy heck this stick looks amazing and if you ever get a chance to tour cousins go do it its rad). I tried casting with a little 3/8 oz in the alley at my house, but did not have much luck. Either the rod is to heavy or I need new bearings in my NEWELL, or I suck.
3/8oz is way too light. You need a tiny Bass baitcaster to move that well. Get a Tady 45 that you don't like, cut off the hook and head down to some local football field.

If the Newell has good free spool and you can't huck that a mile on your 8' jig stick its on you!

;)

If the Newell has bad free spool you need to crack it and get some oil in the bearings etc.
 
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johndtuttle

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ps. Be sure you have a 30 or 40lb mono top shot on that Newell too...that will make controlling your casts much easier too.
 

LEGENDS

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Love the Baja Special for yo yo and I like newells or saltist for surface.
 

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I have a Trinidad TN16 on my jig stick for surface iron and I've never come close to running out of line, even without spectra (20-30# fish). The TN16 actually feels a bit large and I'd downsize if I were to put enough energy into replacing it.

I borrowed a friend'sTN12 and TN16 for YT recently and never had an issue with line capacity for 20 pounders.

I had a Talica 10II for butterfly jigs (yoyo) but today, I moved it to a baitstick. Before the Talica I just used the TN16...I moved the Talica 'cause I haven't had much luck with butterfly jigs on pelagic fish (had better luck with the waxwings).
 

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I have 30lb mono, like 200 yards, then 40lb power pro backing. It should be perfect.... reel feels small for the fish we are seeing though, maybe I should have found a 300 size? the rod is rated 25-40
the 229 is a bait reel, not ideal for throwing iron. The 332 and 338 are good local all around reels for throwing the surface iron while a lot of the long range guys prefer the bigger newell 533. I fish a newell 332 locally and a tn 16 or 20a for bigger fish.. My go to yoyo reel is a trini 40n
 

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the 229 is a bait reel, not ideal for throwing iron. The 332 and 338 are good local all around reels for throwing the surface iron while a lot of the long range guys prefer the bigger newell 533. I fish a newell 332 locally and a tn 16 or 20a for bigger fish.. My go to yoyo reel is a trini 40n
x2 on the Newell 332 for 30lb. local surface iron slinging. Great reel for cudas and yellas on an 8 foot rod like a 270 8H.
 

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Baja Special. Throws a jig a mile and has the power for yo-yo fishing. I also have a Newell 332 and it's a great surface iron reel. The Penn is more durable and versatile.
 

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I was just at a tackle shop asking the same as OP. They recommended an Okuma Cedros Star Drag Reel. I asked the shop employee "what are you using for surface irons?" he said an old Newell and he does not know what he will do if it ever breaks and that nothing casts better. So I went and found a NEWELL 229-5 and mounted it to my new COUSINS CJB 80M-CT (holy heck this stick looks amazing and if you ever get a chance to tour cousins go do it its rad). I tried casting with a little 3/8 oz in the alley at my house, but did not have much luck. Either the rod is to heavy or I need new bearings in my NEWELL, or I suck.
or newells are overrated
 

dustyyoungblood

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the 229 is a bait reel, not ideal for throwing iron. The 332 and 338 are good local all around reels for throwing the surface iron while a lot of the long range guys prefer the bigger newell 533. I fish a newell 332 locally and a tn 16 or 20a for bigger fish.. My go to yoyo reel is a trini 40n
Thanks for the info:). I picked up a New in the box S-332-5 today. The freespool spins forever I think this is gonna help me.
 
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Wintek

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I'd take a close look at the Penn Fathom 25N. The only downside is turning the handle after you get bit. The 25N will work great for both the surface iron (small, lightweight spool) and yoyo (stupid fast retrieve, 40 in of line per turn of the handle). I have two of them, surface iron has the 4.8/1 gears ( http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/threads/penn-fathom-stainless-steel-4-8-1-gear-set.516422/ ) in it, yoyo does not. And did I mention the $219list/$199sale price tag?

I'd also second the recommendation for the Penn Baja Special 113HN. Slower 34 in retrieve rate makes turning the handle after the catch much easier; this is close to the ideal yoyo reel. Fathom 25NLD2 two speed with it's 38 in high speed 19 in low speed retrieve rates is another. And the Fathom 2 speed is $279!!
 
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Juny

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Like many people on this thread, I use a TN16 for surface iron and a Baja Special for yoyo.
 

tunanorth

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Just returned from surface iron Nirvana on a 8-day at The Ridge, it was pretty much WO on 15-30 pound yt and yft; Tady 45's were best, but it all worked.
If your budget allows, the star-drag Penn Torque TRQ25N outcasts everything [yup, Newells too], and has all the modern performance features.
If budget limitations dictate, the Penn Fathom FTH25N is a great choice at its price.
Both of the above have the amazing "Live Spindle" feature.
The new Penn U.S. Senator US113N [formerly called Baja Special] is still the gold standard in yo-yo reels, but if you feel like you must have a 2-speed the Penn Fathom FTH40NLD2 is an excellent choice.
 

J.AkuHed

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Kinda partial to my old Saltist 30Tfor local and island stuff up to 40# (over 50# braid), for 50# I use my old Saltist 40 (over 65# braid).
 

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I think a Tady 45 weighs about 3oz. Put a couple drops of bearing oil in the spool bearings, it works wonders. I have a late model P533 that I bought new. I took it apart after 2 seasons because I had not used it much. It was pretty squeaky even for a Newell. It seems as if it had been assembled without lube. I have a Tady 10' jig stick and it throws a 45 pretty well with the Newell, though I use a Trinidad 20 (older) that is great too. I just need to use them more
 

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For surface iron, I use a Newell 332 with a P29 frame and Penn 99 size spool.

This narrows the 332 to about the same size as the old Penn 99 which was (IMO) just about the perfect size for retrieving surface iron. The narrow spool makes it easy to lay the line down correctly.

I can throw the lightest surface jig a country mile with a custom 270-8 rod. I use 30# copolymer line for local fishing...

Not at all a bad outfit for heavier bait like sardines either...

I like the AVET JX Raptor for yo-yo fishing. I was using an accurate Penn 4/0 conversion which was a great reel but, I am getting older and the Accurate/Penn 4/0 is a lot heavier than the JX Raptor.

However, a Penn/Newell Master Mariner Wahoo Special conversion is not a bad yo-yo or mackeral bait reel at all. The massive spool takes up line quite fast even though the Wahoo Special doesn't have all that fast of a gear ratio. It is also fairly light and the drag setup is (I believe) the same as the Penn 9/0.
 

tunanorth

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For surface iron, I use a Newell 332 with a P29 frame and Penn 99 size spool.

This narrows the 332 to about the same size as the old Penn 99 which was (IMO) just about the perfect size for retrieving surface iron. The narrow spool makes it easy to lay the line down correctly.

I can throw the lightest surface jig a country mile with a custom 270-8 rod. I use 30# copolymer line for local fishing...

Not at all a bad outfit for heavier bait like sardines either...

I like the AVET JX Raptor for yo-yo fishing. I was using an accurate Penn 4/0 conversion which was a great reel but, I am getting older and the Accurate/Penn 4/0 is a lot heavier than the JX Raptor.

However, a Penn/Newell Master Mariner Wahoo Special conversion is not a bad yo-yo or mackeral bait reel at all. The massive spool takes up line quite fast even though the Wahoo Special doesn't have all that fast of a gear ratio. It is also fairly light and the drag setup is (I believe) the same as the Penn 9/0.


Just to clarify, Newell=Penn equivalents:
220=146
229=145
235=140
322=501
332=99
338=500
Carl Newell copied the Penn spool dimensions exactly.
His stock #'s reflected the actual line capacity, for example a 229 with 2[0] pound test held 29[0] yards.
 

hucklongfin

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235 = 322 & 140 = 501, just different form factor.
 

acechanley

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332 best 30# for the surface iron. I switched from a cal 90j to a grafighter 800m less weight and can really chuck a tady 45