Favorite Hook Knot

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by greatbasin, May 16, 2017.

  1. reellady

    reellady I'd rather be catching TUNA

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    Bill, you are absolutely right, Owner sent me 6 packs of hooks. Would rather have had the big one. I check all welds now.
     
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  2. Baller

    Baller Jig Chucker

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    I use the Fishn Fool/Uni - Because I tie it well. # of wraps are determined on diameter.
     
  3. backlashjack

    backlashjack Scallywag

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    I can tie a San Diego drunk, at night on a moving boat, with my eyes closed, while balancing a beer on top of my head. That's how I roll.

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  4. Lake

    Lake I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    That looks like a very important skill
     
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  5. Yellowtail Dan

    Yellowtail Dan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Palomar for 30lb and lower and the San Diego from there up
     
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  6. tuner

    tuner pysgotwyr

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    The Rapala for a loop knot or the San Diego pulled tight.
     
  7. $norkle

    $norkle Well-Known "Member"

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    I see several guys like the Palomar, but I've always seen that it tests considerably lower than a number of other knots. Not trying to start a shitstorm, but I'm interested in why some guys are still using it. Any volunteers?
     
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  8. Carl

    Carl Bridesmaid,,,,,,,Again

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    Because I've had many knots with one loop through the hook eye get cut by the sharp edge at the end of the wire in the eye.... Ie I dump a fish, reel in and check the end of my line and find the knot still there with a cut loop where the hook should be.......

    I've had it happen many times over the years with both Improved Clinch and San Diego knots.

    I don't recall ever busting a Palomar or Double San Diego,on fish, bottom or otherwise.

    No I'm not going to buy Gucci hooks when the knot I've been using primarily for 20 years is batting 1,000.
     
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  9. Bill W

    Bill W tunaholic

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    I find for tuna that knot strength is misleading. You never pull much harder than you set your drag and you get chewed off more than the knot fails. Do what works for you. The palomar strong points are easy to tie, does not slip, and small profile.

    I placed 3rd at the day at the docks at the knot contest with a 5 turn double uni, but I do not use that knot much.
     
  10. Josa1

    Josa1 Well-Known "Member"

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    Doesn't the palomar knot have the smallest profile, best break strength, double line through the hook eye, non slip thing going on?
    An acquaintance of mine used a knot called the "Cricket Knot" that won the Long Beach Show knot tying contest that just to me seems to be too difficult to tie.
    However, I agree that the knot strength does not need to exceed your pulling strength. After being thoroughly schooled on the Cricket Knot, my eyes crossed, I reached out for a cool refreshment and noted that I would continue with noted knots of choice.
    josa1
     
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  11. snaphappy

    snaphappy Member

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    I just stick with a four turn uni. Works for me up to 130lb.
     
  12. widgeon

    widgeon Ex-Hunter and gatherer

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    I've only caught fish on 40lb and under. I use the Uni exclusively now as I've never had a failure with it.
     
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  13. Dudley613

    Dudley613 Well-Known "Member"

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    Because I can tie the palomar while doing all the things backlashjack is doing in his picture hahaa
     
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  14. Pangamaster

    Pangamaster Cow Town Here I come!

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    I still use the improved cinch knot for 50# and below.....you guys over complicate things....as a deckhand I used this knot for literally 1000's of trips....never a failure for our customers or me. Someone referenced the fact that the best knot is the one you are comfortable with.....bingo! For larger applications I'm using the 3 turn Uni....zero failures including my recent first cow....KISS......Keep it Simple Stupid!
     
  15. caveman

    caveman Member

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    Until I started long range fishing, I used the Palomar for just about everything. First long range trip it failed twice. I'm primarily a San Diego jam knot guy now. Since reading this thread I think I'll revisit the palomar on my upcoming 8 day. What, me tie two bad knots in a Row?
     
  16. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I've been through this debate with myself many times. My basic go-to is a Trilene, and it hasn't failed me yet. I used to swear by the Erwin Knot. It was awesome, except when it wasn't. I know a lot of people use it with great success, but for me it seems sometimes to cut itself. Operator error for sure, but I can't seem to get it right.

    I have tried (on the advice of better anglers!) to use a 3-turn Uni, but I can't seem to get the knot to cinch correctly. Bill W has been kind enough to give me tips and show me those same photos multiple times, but that particular knot doesn't like me.

    I am very happy with the Trilene, and will keep on using it, but I will also try the Spangler on my next trip. I tie that one well on dry land, but haven't taken the leap on the water.

    Like others have said, use the knot that YOU tie well. For me, that's the Trilene.
     
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  17. hucklongfin

    hucklongfin Deep release specialist

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    The best knot is the knot you tie best. Being able to tie it drunk, in the dark, on a moving boat, with you eyes closed, balancing a beer on your head is just gravy.
     
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  18. Cast Gold

    Cast Gold hss AHHHH...hss AHHHH....

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    Used the Palomar for about 12 years, now trying out Tony Garza's Soft Steel knot.
     
  19. maxpowers

    maxpowers Well-Known "Member"

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    My favorite live bait knot is a figure 8 loop knot. I hate buying ring hook. Tested on 30 lbs Berkeley at Fred Hall and consistently broke at 27 lbs. that's good enough for me.
     
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  20. SlideRight

    SlideRight Just Fishin'

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    My Palomar's also had a frustrating habit of occasional failure until years back when Norm Kagawa (ex-Shogun cap't.) told me to be sure, (once cinched against the hook eye) to tighten the tag end equally as well as the main line (of course, one must watch for hook eye cross over too). Firm cinching on the tag end solved the failures completely. However, I don't trust a Palomar on line over 40# (heard Bruce Smith relate once that it's a good 'trout knot') - above 40 it's a Spangler for me (or D-SD for all jigs). Good luck!
     
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