EXPERIENCE WITH SEAGUAR GOLD LABEL?

stevefwolfe

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This season I have been using the Daiwa stuff. Acts like blue label but a ton cheaper. It’s held up well and not broken on me at all. I don’t get into the technical side and I fish my own boat so everything is 3’ top shots unless trolling gear. Hell I still tie the Tony P. Knott and the Palomar so what do I know lol
 
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    12 years ago someone told me blue label was good so I bought a spool of 30 and 50 and caught fish. Been using it ever since.

    Just bought 30, 50, 60 and 80 today actually
     
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    andrewr

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    As an addendum to my original post above regarding Seaguar Gold ,
    have posted a chart of the Technical Specs for the Gold.
    It is obvious what has been done reducing the line diameters for the identical pound test.
    eg. The "Original Standard" for 20# was .017 ,,,,, Seaguar has dropped that down to .014, a significant reduction. The reality is a clandestine price increase.
    Hate to be redundant,,, but please start purchasing the plastic lines by diameter not pound test.
    Diameter is "Usually" printed on the spool in
    very small print.
    My .37 cents worth for your consideration.
    Walt


    Link to the chart below: https://seaguar.com/saltwater/new-lines/gold-label-25
    NEW DIMENTIONS



    LB. TESTDIAMETER25 YARD ORDER #
    2.104 mm.004 in.02GL25
    4.148 mm.006 in.04GL25
    6.185 mm.007 in.06GL25
    8.220 mm.009 in.08GL25
    10.235 mm.009 in.10GL25
    12.260 mm.010 in.12GL25
    15.285 mm.011 in.15GL25
    20.350 mm.014 in.20GL25
    25.385 mm.015 in.25GL25
    30.435 mm.017 in.30GL25
    40.520 mm.020 in.40GL25
    50.570 mm.022 in.50GL25
    60.660 mm.026 in.60GL25
    80.740 mm.029 in.80GL25
    Hi Walt - So if we start using the diameter, don't we still need to understand approximate break strength based on diameter?
     
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    yessokk

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    Hi Walt - So if we start using the diameter, don't we still need to understand approximate break strength based on diameter?

    Hello Mr. Andrewr:
    Absolutely ..... But how does one obtain the (ABS) absolute break strength. Not by what's on the label , that's for sure. I can do it because I have a testing rig constructed just for that purpose. The only information the pound test labled on the spool can tell us is that the ABS of the line is "at least" what is labeled. The "NEW" thin lines "may" have 2-5 lbs over test where the original line diameters would have 10-15 lbs overtest in the smaller lb. test and as much as 20-30 lb or more over test in the heavier pound ratings.
    This diameter reduction , which is spreading industry wide, will generate potential stress for anglers. Anglers will most likely get bit more but It will be similar to the lost fish due to the usage of Seaguar Premier when it first came out. Anglers finally realized they were fishing with IGAF line of reduced ABS ,,, and as a cure just used the next higher # test to compensate. The new thinner diameter lines are non IGAF rated but very close to it. Due to manufacturing extrusion tolerances (aprox. + -.0015) the lines ABS may or may not meet IGFA specifications.

    Some where in my note book is sequestered a chart of the original line diameters for a given pound test.
    Will try and find and post it so we can at lest have a reference to consult so we can compare the new line diameters. Also this brings to the forefront the Extreme Importance of tying the best knots , re-tying often and having properly scale set drags. Not drags set by the seat of your pants. For those with curious minds can highly reccomend purchasing a standard micrometer or a vernier scale micrometer to accurately measure line diameter which is normally on the spool in small print. If you are not familiar with calipers not to worry, it is easy to learn.

    My .37 cents worth for your consideration,
    Walt
     
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    Hi Walt,

    I have always enjoyed your posts and analysis on fishing lines, knots, etc.. As you mentioned, all the marketing smoke and mirrors regarding the marketing of various fluorocarbon lines and their percieved break strengths is the same as we have all seen with the sale of mono lines. And yes, perhaps it's all about DIA. For what it's worth, here's a chart I made up a while back comparing a few different Fluoro brands. This is based on manufacturer specs, I have not mic'd the lines myself. Sorry it didn't quite format the same (user error on my part, since I am a tech idiot...lol)

    #TestQuatroSunlineMomoi DiamondSeaguarPremSeaguarBlueSeaguarGoldYozuri PinkSaiko
    20.285mm
    250.480.4950.405.385mm0.4570.473
    300.540.470.540.470.520.4350.4880.565
    350.52
    400.640.570.590.570.620.520.6020.62
    450.620.645
    500.740.660.670.620.660.570.66
    550.7
    600.80.740.750.70.740.660.7470.77
    65
    800.950.840.860.780.810.740.8470.81
    1001.070.911.030.911.050.953
    1301.151.1371.051.171.087
     
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    andrewr

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    Hello Mr. Andrewr:
    Absolutely ..... But how does one obtain the (ABS) absolute break strength. Not by what's on the label , that's for sure. I can do it because I have a testing rig constructed just for that purpose. The only information the pound test labled on the spool can tell us is that the ABS of the line is "at least" what is labeled. The "NEW" thin lines "may" have 2-5 lbs over test where the original line diameters would have 10-15 lbs overtest in the smaller lb. test and as much as 20-30 lb or more over test in the heavier pound ratings.
    This diameter reduction , which is spreading industry wide, will generate potential stress for anglers. Anglers will most likely get bit more but It will be similar to the lost fish due to the usage of Seaguar Premier when it first came out. Anglers finally realized they were fishing with IGAF line of reduced ABS ,,, and as a cure just used the next higher # test to compensate. The new thinner diameter lines are non IGAF rated but very close to it. Due to manufacturing extrusion tolerances (aprox. + -.0015) the lines ABS may or may not meet IGFA specifications.

    Some where in my note book is sequestered a chart of the original line diameters for a given pound test.
    Will try and find and post it so we can at lest have a reference to consult so we can compare the new line diameters. Also this brings to the forefront the Extreme Importance of tying the best knots , re-tying often and having properly scale set drags. Not drags set by the seat of your pants. For those with curious minds can highly reccomend purchasing a standard micrometer or a vernier scale micrometer to accurately measure line diameter which is normally on the spool in small print. If you are not familiar with calipers not to worry, it is easy to learn.

    My .37 cents worth for your consideration,
    Walt
    Looking forward to your chart. Thank you!
     
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    yessokk

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    To Mr. andrewr and other curious minds.....
    Below is an old Izorline line diameter chart. The Izorline chart was down loaded in 2014. For comparison of line diameters with current pound test diameters.
    Could not attach it to this post because BD is antiquated and will not accept picture files that were taken by my I-Phone as they claim they are too large.
    So I manually copied the data below.

    DIAMETERS
    # test First String Fluorocarbon
    2 .0059 ----- .0047
    4 . 0079 ----- .0067
    6 .0098 ----- .0093
    8 .0110 ----- .0106
    10 .0118 ----- .0114
    12 .0138 ----- .0130
    15 .0157 ----- .0146
    20 .0177 ----- .0173
    25 .0197 ----- .0185
    30 .0217 ----- .0205
    40 .0236 ----- .0244
    50 .0276 ----- .0264
    60 .0315 ----- .0291
    80 .0354 ----- .0343
    100 .0394 ----- .0417
    200 .0591 ----- .0526
    300 .0709 ----- .0803
    400 .0787 ----- .0929
    600 .0945 ----- .0929
    135 .0472 ----- N/A
    150 .0551 ----- .0461
    200 .0591 ----- .0626
    400 .0787 ----- .0929
     
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