Ensenada area, other boats shut down and told to split

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gpomplin

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A BIG RUBBER DUCK
X2 :D
Damnit Gary.....X3
its only certain things we slow down at.....
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This blows me away!!!
Please bear with me, As i'm going to throw my two cents in. (and gonna catch hell for).
I fished the area in question on private boats when I was young. When I worked on "Sportboats" (starting in 82) this water was off limits. As far as I know,it's still off limits to the San Diego Fleet. We are lucky to be able to fish the area as long we have without problems.
My opinion on the Skipper of the "Sportboat", "This should not have happend."
We are their territory.
Again, My two cents worth.
 
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Google Translation for the article

They call to expel U.S. fishermen
By Elizabeth Vargas / El Vigia. Published 38 mins.
Mexican fishermen complained that the crew of the "Sea Adventure II" threatened on Saturday.

Ensenada, B.C. - Pescadores de Ensenada request the intervention of the Navy of Mexico to the invasion of commercial fishing boats American doing business in the bay of Ensenada and Todos Santos Island, where they expel Mexican fishermen, who have tried to ram their boats.

Córdoba Gerardo Sanchez, representative of the Shipowners' Association Sportfishing, reported that the most serious incident occurred on Saturday when a Mexican fishing boat-the "Ruckus" - was the target of aggression by the crew of a ship American-the "Sea Adventure II" - that through the speakers insulted by requiring fishermen to leave.

"But it is the first case, every weekend off the coast of Ensenada are invaded by vessels of U.S. companies that leave from San Diego to fish in national waters with permission granted by a Mexican office in that city," he said.

He said that ship is engaged in commercial activity in Mexican waters, crossing the border without telling anyone.

Mexico's Navy not reviewed, the inspectors of fisheries, nor do they know which species caught or what products they bring on board, even reaching down to the islands where there are protected areas where they do what they want because nobody says anything, he said Sanchez.

He explained that these boats charge for travel to Mexico hundreds of dollars, paying $ 10 for a permit that do not deliver to fishermen.

No dock or create any benefit to the Mexican tourism, only plunder and abuse species now national fishermen.

Gerardo Sanchez said he was asked several years ago that within the Fisheries Act gives the service that was recognized in sport and commercial, but not included, nor are they protected in any way, lawmakers could now make the necessary reforms but lack willingness of Mexican legislators.


While this is happening in Mexico, U.S. environmental groups have restricted areas for fishing, leading to migration of fishermen in the country, generating unfair competition for Mexican fishermen.

The requirement is simply that the Navy of Mexico remove such vessels from the national costs to be given the same treatment to Mexican fishermen to fish in the Bay of San Diego.
Yeah, I've never seen the Mexican Permit that I pay for.
 
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I like that Gerardo is participating in this discussion and providing the other side of the story. Communication is the key to solving this problem and Gerardo makes extremely valid points. Well said dude!

When you go to a foreign country, be it Mexico or Zimbabwe, you have to respect their laws. You're on their turf with their permission under the assumption that you'll respect their ways, customs, and laws. We expect them to do the same when any foreigner comes to the United States, how can we be pissed when they expect the same from us? It's called courtesy and respect and perhaps that captain of the Sea Adventure II better take a refresher course.

And to the idiots trying to mix illegal immigration into this topic, you are way off base. Take your Glenn Beck rhetoric and shove it up your collective asses. You morons will take any excuse to show your asses, even when we are in the wrong, nice job douches.
 
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tis si to inform you guys that that reaction from the mexican sport fishing boat owners asociation is not agints the private boaters as a president of this asociation we have to take care of our bussinesand we are only askin to the mexican autorities to aply the law, if you know a little bit of the international rules about the waters we have 12 miles of exclusive economical fishing area, and you have to remember that theharter sport boats are doing a comercial activity, and if we try to go to us doing this we are going to be in big troubles, also therse and international law that says if and any comercial activity another country aloud mexicans to do it we have to do the same but remember we are not aloud to do bussines in your waters so remeber we are not againts the private boaters we are only asking to enforce the law and protect our investment here , we are working in mexico and we dont want to go to us. legaly or ilegaly, and to the one that says that your country gives a lot to the mexican you need to do a research in about it no ofensse but we the people that saty here in mexico works hard to get what we have and no body give us nothing we pay taxes in mexico and we are proud to be here tryng to do bussimes and cretae jobs for our people, sorry for mi english i dont know if i write ok mi gram is not good in englihs, thanks to all of you how untherstand what we are trying to do and fell free to answer this post or to send your coments to this e mail adres [email protected]

Thank you captain. With much respect.
 
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"Thank you captain. With much respect. " x2

Thanks for taking time to explain. I like fishing from both SD and Ensenada. So it's good if there is some mutual understanding and cooperation.
 
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I like that Gerardo is participating in this discussion and providing the other side of the story. Communication is the key to solving this problem and Gerardo makes extremely valid points. Well said dude!

When you go to a foreign country, be it Mexico or Zimbabwe, you have to respect their laws. You're on their turf with their permission under the assumption that you'll respect their ways, customs, and laws. We expect them to do the same when any foreigner comes to the United States, how can we be pissed when they expect the same from us? It's called courtesy and respect and perhaps that captain of the Sea Adventure II better take a refresher course.

And to the idiots trying to mix illegal immigration into this topic, you are way off base. Take your Glenn Beck rhetoric and shove it up your collective asses. You morons will take any excuse to show your asses, even when we are in the wrong, nice job douches.

What does Glenn Beck have to do with this? He's the man!
 
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Interesting to say the least. Yea, lets not screw this up and obey some rules we are all aware of. To be honest I cannot blame the skippers for trying to get a bite going and getting some passengers down there at the landings. I think there were recently 13 sportboats out in April. That is so good for those guys. But they should not be jeopardizing the whole thing so they can make money. Sounds self centered to me.

Also-In nor cal they fish right on top of each other too. I was shocked how close the boats were but nobody yelled or screamed at people and it was all good.

On some east coast fishing shows guys fish close together too, shit and the gulf too. When I was at the lump guys were real close.

I wonder why we are so aggressive when we fish. Could it be from salty aggressive sport boats captains that taught most of us how to fish?

Lastly, I do agree with the article and someone’s thought that few people make allot of money from the SD fleet. A few guys at the top make great livings, a few more make decent livings. The rest? In the gulf, its all small boats and 6 packs and many people make decent livings. Same for Florida. It seems as if So Cal is the mecca for the showboat model. Is this model sustainable? Not when you’re poaching!!!!
 
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Wow...........thanks for cleaning the house while I was on the road jason.

Gerardo I look forward to tipping a few Cervezas and talking local fishing this summer.

Thanks to all the guys that kept this post online and had some positive input to drown out the bulshit!!!

Spent 20 years in the Navy............went to Many countries. First rule every liberty call (ok second 1st is carry condoms) Is RESPECT the locals and they're culture.

Looks like thats all thats being asked here.



BTW I'm back.....:D
 
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hi tanks for your suport and untherstand the rules in mexico but let me tell you that we dont have leaky pangas here in ensenada the boats are inspected by the harbor master, and if we dont cover all the regulations we are not aloud to go out fishing whit pasengers,i know there are some boats that dont look good for you guys but from the boats that belong to our ourganisation we pushing to our memebers to take care of those and give good service to the customers, if some day some one of you guys have a problem you can go to the tourist bureou office and put a complain whit that boat ore company or you can contact us and if the baot is from our organisation we can help you fixing those issues thanks the contact email is [email protected]

My apologies mi amigo, no insult was intended. I have more respect for hard working pangueros that go out in the ocean to make a living than 99.5% of my countrymen that do it for "fun" and especially those who cry like spoiled children when they get caught breaking the rules.

You see, typically here in America those that want the laws enforced the most think it's OK when they break the law themselves because in reality, they just want other people to be fucked over so they get more, not have the same thing happen to them.

It's called being a self-entitled asshole, otherwise known as an Ugly American.
 
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Thank you Gerardo, Eric, and others who have shown the patience to try to educate the haters on this forum. Those people venting immigration issues, etc are just lazy, bitter people -too stupid to keep up with the topic of the Sea Adventure II fucking it up for other U.S. boats by not showing respect and goodwill for locals fishing next to them. I think Capt Taft is the one who should be writing an apology here. If anyone knows his contact info, pease forward this link to him. I, for one, will not be fishing with him again. I will think about it if he does so. heh, heh.
Good day to all!


Pos dato, Gerardo} que verguenza con los idiotas que mezclan la politica con este tema, pero tenlo por seguro que la mala gramatica de estos analfabetos es lo primero que los hecha de cabeza de el porque les falta cortesia y tambien un trabajo!
 
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Erik thanks for clearing this for us some more , good words from a most folks , not all , but is n nice to see some understanding after all .

Gerardo , nice to see you here Amigo , let me know the dates for the next tournament in Ensenada of you guys .
 
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captdsk

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Hey guys Darryl here from the Constitution if you have not seen Joe's post yet I will say that we were not escorted out we were not contacted at all but we noticed everyone had cleared out past the line and we did too. We had been relutant to fish their the past few weeks but with the rest of the fleet doing so well we made the move It is a shame that a one boat can be so disrespectful of the local boats that it causes a great deal of trouble for all the fleet.
We did cancel our trip for this weekend not only to lay low but to prep for hullout on monday.
I think I can speak for Joe to say that all of on the Constitution have all the respect in the world for our neighbors to the south and the fishing fleet of ensanada
 
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The article said nothing about fishing inshore at the bay.

The mexicans are claiming that the LR insulted them using their loud speakers, then tried to ram them with their larger boat, so they asked for the MX Navy to assist them.

They go onto say that the LR boats are commercial enterprises charging passengers that shouldn't be allowed to coome into Mexican waters as they create no local $$ benefit to tourism and that they are are never checked by the authorities for what they take week after week.

They also say that the boats are fishing in protected areas around the Mx islands while US authorities close more places in California to protect northen stocks, causing the Mx stocks to be exploited more.
 
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...They go onto say that the LR boats are commercial enterprises charging passengers that shouldn't be allowed to coome into Mexican waters as they create no local $$ benefit to tourism and that they are are never checked by the authorities for what they take week after week.

They might have a point there. So, what would happen if they go on to say, "If the U.S. Sportboats can't follow the rules, we'll declare a moratorium and not allow ANY U.S. Sportboat fishing in Northern Baja Waters (including the Islands)"? I can't see where it would have any negative financial impact on the Ensenada sportboats or economy. Set me straight if I'm wrong but seems easier to follow the rules.
 
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