Dungeness Crab, area 11

The Peddler

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May 28, 2008
2,541
1,188
Olympia, WA
Name
Matt
Boat
2400 SeaSport Explorer - "Permanent Waves"
I'm just going to park this here.... if there's "Allowable Resource," will they allow us non-tribal folks throw our pots later this year, or close us out as they have for the past two years?

FILING
ORGANIZATION: PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS
REGULATION #: SCr20-21-4.6
This is a 4.6 regulation notice to harvest without co-manager agreement.
DATE ADOPTED: 3-26-2020
REGULATIONS (S) None
SUPERCEDED:
CATCH AREA (s): Shellfish Catch reporting area 26D
SPECIAL
MANAGEMENT
AREA: For commercial geoduck diver safety, Geoduck Tracts with active harvest (to -70’ mllw) may be closed to crabbing Saturdays - Tuesdays. Crabbing is permitted at -100’ uncorrected and deeper along the shoreline boundaries of a tract all week long.
FISHERY TYPE: COMMERCIAL
SPECIES: Dungeness Crab (Cancer magister)
UPPER LIMIT: 46,000 pounds
ON/OFF
RESERVATION: OFF
EFFECTIVE DATES April 20, 2020 8:00 AM through official Sunset May 19, 2020 (or until upper limit is taken)
LEGAL GEAR: 1) Pots, ring nets, and hand operated instruments that do not
Penetrate the shell are the only lawful gear for crab harvest.
DAYS/HOURS: Seven days a week, gear must be worked between official sunrise and official sunset only.
RECORD KEEPING:1) Landings shall be sold to tribally registered fish buyers and be
recorded on fish receiving tickets.
2) In order for the Puyallup Tribal Shellfish office to maintain
catch and effort information, crab buyers will be contacted for
buying activity.
OTHER 1) Minimum size is 61/4 inches measured across the back at the
widest spot of the shell immediately in front of, but not including
the outside of the tips
2)Harvest of females is prohibited
3)All crab pots must have two escape rings not less than 4 ¼
inches inside diameter. Escape rings must be located on the top
half of the pot. A 3 inch by 5 inch biodegradable cord panel
(natural fiber, maximum thread size 120) or biodegradable loop
attached to the lid hook is also required.
4)Each pot or string of pots must be attached to a surface buoy
that is capable of floating a five pound weight. Buoys attached to
gear used for commercial fishing can be any color or color
combination except red and white. If red and white buoy colors are
used, a minimum of 30% of the surface of the buoy(s) will be
prominently marked with an additional color other than red and
white.
5) Buoys shall be conspicuously marked with the harvester’s
fishing identification number preceded by the letters PUY.
6) Harvesters are limited to fishing 50 pots maximum at any one
time.
7) It will be unlawful for a crab fisher to remove or pull a crab pot
from the water that is not registered by that fisher, without prior
permission from their enforcement program.
8) Fish buyers must withhold a 5% tax from the sale of crab and
remit to the Shellfish Department.
9) Only harvesters who have received the educational outreach
endorsement permit shall be able participate in this harvest.
JUSTIFICATION: HARVEST AVAILABLE RESOURCE. This is a 4.6 regulation
notice to harvest without co-manager agreement.
PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS
3009 East Portland Ave.
TACOMA, WA 98404
 

danny warren

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jun 1, 2014
108
116
43
Name
Danny
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14ft minnow,17ft Willies driftboat
Totally bullshit
 

danny warren

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Jun 1, 2014
108
116
43
Name
Danny
Boat
14ft minnow,17ft Willies driftboat
Notice without co manager agreement
 

Cwillis

Sometimes you're top boat...sometimes you're not.
Jul 15, 2009
1,000
892
Woodinville, WA
Name
Casey
Boat
23 Pacific
Wow. That is unreal.

We are closed. They are going to take advantage of the past two years of now fishing and we got NO CHANCE. What an Eff job,.
 
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Cwillis

Sometimes you're top boat...sometimes you're not.
Jul 15, 2009
1,000
892
Woodinville, WA
Name
Casey
Boat
23 Pacific
Sports gambling at casinos only says it all.
 

koopa

Arima Adventures
Feb 3, 2018
75
58
39
Puget sound
Name
Koopa
Boat
Arima
I see what the quota says but just imagine how much crab can be harvesting when your able to fish 7 days per week with 50 pots per harvester. Depletion coming.
 

Cwillis

Sometimes you're top boat...sometimes you're not.
Jul 15, 2009
1,000
892
Woodinville, WA
Name
Casey
Boat
23 Pacific
I see what the quota says but just imagine how much crab can be harvesting when your able to fish 7 days per week with 50 pots per harvester. Depletion coming.
They will have detailed auditing from their licensed buyers...don't you worry.
 

Socket985

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jun 6, 2008
194
71
Buckley Wa
Name
Mark
Boat
21 ft ThunderJet OB/OS
I see what the quota says but just imagine how much crab can be harvesting when your able to fish 7 days per week with 50 pots per harvester. Depletion coming.

No, Depletion has already happened. Area 11 used to provide us some opportunity before the closure. The last year before it closed, literal ghost town.
 

Salmon King

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Mar 29, 2013
1,462
1,486
Everett, WA, USA
Name
Tim
Boat
Salmon King 21' Custom Pilothouse
What are they going to do with the crab?!? The casinos are closed. Restaurants can’t take it. Ship it to China? Good luck finding a buyer. Yet they will still go out and harvest a bunch of crab and sell them for pennies a pound. What a waste.
 

Corey G

Boat ho extraordinaire
Jun 24, 2010
914
1,090
Tacoma, Wa USA
Name
Corey Guild
Boat
Gravy
I haven’t bought my PS crab endorsement in years and don’t plan on buying one anytime soon. Probably never again...
 

shortbus69

Member
Aug 12, 2014
27
16
Des Moines
Name
Dan
Boat
23 ft supervee 19 ft stryker
I live in des Moines and have watched them moor in the marina and pile not only crab but shrimp at the same time onto the dock and into cars. When they go it looks like a full on carpet bombing. They actually killed almost every crab 3 years ago and that's why it shut down. This is disgusting but I'm sure they are laughing there ass off while we sit at home and get raped by casino sports bets and tribal fishing on our dime
 

kwik_wurk

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Apr 10, 2012
202
141
Indianola & Browns Point
Name
kwik_wurk
Boat
Montauk, Sailfish 2360, and Johnson18
Well nothing prevents us from observing and recording their respective commercial activities. — Specifically talking about port/marina traffic, pot sets, and landing load/unload activities. — This in turn can be used to help validate or in-validate their internal counts record keeping or anything abnormal. The tribes are entitled to their harvests. (And generally speaking have just as much an interest in a sustainable fishery vs a depleted one.)

Several of us have extra time...there are only a few landing places.
 
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The Peddler

Living vicariously through others.
May 28, 2008
2,541
1,188
Olympia, WA
Name
Matt
Boat
2400 SeaSport Explorer - "Permanent Waves"
Well nothing prevents us from observing and recording their respective commercial activities. — Specifically talking about port/marina traffic, pot sets, and landing load/unload activities. — This in turn can be used to help validate or in-validate their internal counts record keeping or anything abnormal. The tribes are entitled to their harvests. (And generally speaking have just as much an interest in a sustainable fishery vs a depleted one.)

Several of us have extra time...there are only a few landing places.
They actually have an interest in a depleted fishery. Have you heard the term “ Foregone opportunity?” Fishery becomes unsustainable, the tribes sue the state. The state has to pay them for the loss of opportunity.

Yes it’s a real thing. Yes, it can (probably will) happen.
 

mikegilchrist

Newbie
Mar 1, 2012
10
7
Fed Way
Name
Mike
Boat
n/a
Some info for those not aware:
  • State and Puyallup tribe are still in negotiations on a 2020 management plan for area 11.
  • Many recent years there have been failed crab management plan negotiations with one or more tribes (not Puyallup recently). It complicates some things, but does not cancel sport seasons (Crab and shrimp negotiations are not like salmon)
  • This regulation is a step that the tribe must take to have the option to fish because they must give early notice. In the years prior to the closure, the commercial fishery was typically in the spring prior to the sport season.
  • People do not often choose to fish a commercial opener if the market is not ready for the product. So even if this fishery is open we will have to wait and see what the results are.
  • If sport seasons are to be opened in Area 11, it would not typically be prior to July (without some sort of unique reason).
  • The negotiated management plans do not typically have much language limiting sport season dates. If the management plan negotiations fail or succeed, WDFW still has to set (or decide closure of) the sport seasons. This decision making process might get complicated in multiple ways by the virus issues: 1) Uncertainty about when the restrictions will be lifted and 2) Difficulty getting things done in a normal amount of time with the restrictions in place.
 

kwik_wurk

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Apr 10, 2012
202
141
Indianola & Browns Point
Name
kwik_wurk
Boat
Montauk, Sailfish 2360, and Johnson18
It’s happening several boats went by Brown’s Point. Waiting on some pictures; or if anyone else.
 

The Peddler

Living vicariously through others.
May 28, 2008
2,541
1,188
Olympia, WA
Name
Matt
Boat
2400 SeaSport Explorer - "Permanent Waves"
But wait there's more!

FILING
ORGANIZATION: PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS
REGULATION #: SCr20-21-4.6 II
This is a revised §4.6 regulation with a lower TAC to create
space for further co-manager conversations to work towards resolution.
DATE ADOPTED: 4/17/2020
REGULATIONS (S) SCr20-21-4.6
SUPERCEDED:
CATCH AREA (s): Shellfish Catch reporting area 26D
SPECIAL
MANAGEMENT
AREA: For commercial geoduck diver safety, Geoduck Tracts with active harvest (to -70’ mllw) may be closed to crabbing Saturdays - Tuesdays. Crabbing is permitted at -100’ uncorrected and deeper along the shoreline boundaries of a tract all week long.
*For commercial geoduck diver safety, the Seahurst Geoduck Tract (to -70’ mean lower low water) # 09060 is closed to crabbing Saturdays - Tuesdays. Crabbing is permitted at -100’ uncorrected and deeper along the shoreline boundaries of the tract all week long. (see attached map)*
FISHERY TYPE: COMMERCIAL
SPECIES: Dungeness Crab (Cancer magister)
UPPER LIMIT: 37,500 pounds
ON/OFF
RESERVATION: OFF
EFFECTIVE DATES April 20, 2020 8:00 AM through official Sunset May 19, 2020 (or until upper limit is taken)
LEGAL GEAR: 1) Pots, ring nets, and hand operated instruments that do not
Penetrate the shell are the only lawful gear for crab harvest.
DAYS/HOURS: Seven days a week, gear must be worked between official sunrise
and official sunset only.
RECORD KEEPING:1) Landings shall be sold to tribally registered fish buyers and be
recorded on fish receiving tickets.
2) In order for the Puyallup Tribal Shellfish office to maintain
catch and effort information, crab buyers will be contacted for
buying activity.
OTHER 1) Minimum size is 61/4 inches measured across the back at the
widest spot of the shell immediately in front of, but not including
the outside of the tips
2)Harvest of females is prohibited
3)All crab pots must have two escape rings not less than 4 ¼
inches inside diameter. Escape rings must be located on the top
half of the pot. A 3 inch by 5 inch biodegradable cord panel
(natural fiber, maximum thread size 120) or biodegradable loop
attached to the lid hook is also required.
4)Each pot or string of pots must be attached to a surface buoy
that is capable of floating a five pound weight. Buoys attached to
gear used for commercial fishing can be any color or color
combination except red and white. If red and white buoy colors are
used, a minimum of 30% of the surface of the buoy(s) will be
prominently marked with an additional color other than red and
white.
5) Buoys shall be conspicuously marked with the harvester’s
fishing identification number preceded by the letters PUY.
6) Harvesters are limited to fishing 50 pots maximum at any one
time.
7) It will be unlawful for a crab fisher to remove or pull a crab pot
from the water that is not registered by that fisher, without prior
permission from their enforcement program.
8) Fish buyers must withhold a 5% tax from the sale of crab and
remit to the Shellfish Department.
9) Only harvesters who have received the educational outreach
endorsement permit shall be able participate in this harvest.
JUSTIFICATION: HARVEST AVAILABLE RESOURCE. This is a 4.6 regulation
notice to harvest without co-manager agreement.
PUYALLUP TRIBE OF INDIANS
3009 East Portland Ave.
TACOMA, WA 98404
 

tinmaniac

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Jul 17, 2013
190
186
Washington
Name
Bob
Boat
Sled
Yum,crab from a superfund clean up site!Almost as tasty as the crab and shrimp they pull from the area directly in front of the sewer plant on the waterfront.
 

Kool-Aid

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Mar 18, 2008
1,853
827
WA
Name
Jason
Boat
World Cat 266SF
am I reading that correctly that they are authorized up to 37,500 lbs of crab?? Please tell me I’m reading incorrectly.
 

shortbus69

Member
Aug 12, 2014
27
16
Des Moines
Name
Dan
Boat
23 ft supervee 19 ft stryker
That is actually down from the original 55000lbs lol. Maybe they realized no one is buying there shit. I hope nobody here does either