Double trouble rigging

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  1. Bill W

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    Sounds like a single crimp used for the two legs. Still that is how the boat rigs double trouble.

    Here is a really sano way to do the double trouble...

    http://www.bhptackle.com/home.php?cat=5

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  2. SouthBayKiller

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    In that case I’m pretty sure it was a spider hitch or surgeons loop in 200lb mono.

    Those double grommet swivels do look really nice
     
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    Would be hard to make 'em (double trouble) for the BPH price!
     
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    The escape proof swivels are made by Centro products in China. They are marketed under many different brands. Never a Momoi product but a Diamond fishing product by HiLiner in Florida.

    The opening of those swivels is well documented. When I used them I would put a piece of tubing over the part that opens.

    What I dont get is why the need for any snap on a kite rig? Just use a barrel swivel and tie or crimp it on.
     
  5. Bill W

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    That is what i like about BD. Talk from different viewpoints. I see a product with an issue, which brings up two fixes. And i see an issue with a single crimp for two legs with loss of fish.
     
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    Why should a single crimp for two legs cause a fish to be lost, Bill? I've been making my double troubles that way for years and the only "issue" I've had is that the leaders single use if you catch a good fish (80lbs+) on a single leg. The crimp holds up very well, but you end up with one leg just a bit longer than the other.

    That's not an issue for me since I don't reuse my double trouble leaders after a good fish, but I have discovered that if you use two crimps even a large model doesn't pull the legs uneven.
     
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    While the loss of two fish is here, I might think a lot of stress would be on the crimp if it was a single crimp as the two tuna goes in two different directions. Which might be good in this case but would most defiantly break one leg and possibly stress the other leg in to failure later in the fight. Just my view.
     
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    Yes, I saw that. But those are separate legs. I think I must not have understood what you said before.
     
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    Well just a talk since another poster brought up that a really big fish and a small 70# fish were hooked up. and the 70# fish was the one that was landed and the single crimp double trouble had one leg missing.

    Oops.. that was a spider hitch, but you get the idea.
     
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    Oh! I read that too, but it wasn't about a crimp, so...

    I've been using the ringed grommets and to me they seem even more secure than simply a crimp making a loop. I could be wrong (as you have probably noticed, I am wrong about many things!), but that's my impression.

    On my last cow trip I had a crimp fail, and it cost me what seemed to be a very big fish. The failure was my fault...I didn't use the correct tool, and even though I had doubts about the crimp when I looked at it, I used it anyway. The fundamental error is that I have the correct swaging tool, but chose to leave it behind.

    That'll never happen again.
     
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    Just cause you asked... The perfect thing for me is to change out leaders very quickly. If double trouble has been sitting out there not getting bit, and another bait becomes available, i will ask for that bait and re-rig very quickly. I like doing it my way like the Burger King commercial (or Frank Sinatra)
     
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    The snap swivel is fast, convenient and makes total sense and thats why you should not use one.

    Things that are fast and easy (yes women and cars) are included in this discussion tend to cause problems.

    Back when I used to fish tournaments, we had a snap swivel failure that almost cost me 75k. The fish jumped and the mono turned on top of the swivel and pushed the clasp all the way down. We were lucky that day.

    Switched over to the escape proof, was winding in to check the bait - the escape proof opened. Got bit lost the fish and the hard to find Bob Schneider lure.

    Snap swivels just add another moving part that is not necessary in the double trouble rig IMO.

    If you need to change out quickly for whatever reason - take the extra two minutes to crimp or tie your barrel swivel on.

    If the captain cant wait for you and threatens you on losing your turn - find another boat.
     
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    Got you John...

    You know there are a thousand ways to loose a fish.

    Personally, cause each person has a view, a stupid sharp hook with razor blade sides will on a long fight will be more of an issue. The hook will come back intact and you will say at least i got my hook back and continue on with the same hook. (TroKar?)
     
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    Thanks for the solid info boyz. So I guess, tripple threat, did not work out. Gave up kite turns to anglers light on fish. Last few hours of the trip my turn came back up. Politely offered to give up the turn. Was shown, tripple threat, and advised to try it. Three dines deployed on the kite. Dines received attention and got bit right away. Smallest tuna of the trip for the boat :) but it got bit. Then we departed and I headed back south. Must be to many failure risks involved?

    Have never heard of, tripple threat again. Probably for good reason...
     
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    What crimping tool do You use?



     
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    John's recommended SC-3C... I am not a hard core crimper, but I had some kite rigs to make up.
     
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    You tie knots?
     
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    Up to 150# i tie a 3 turn uni.
     
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    Smoke Blue or Clear mono?

    Adrien
     

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