Difference Between full braid to short fluoro and braid to mono to fluoro

Thomas Lim

Newbie
Aug 31, 2018
91
12
8
Los angeles
Name
Thomas
Boat
I wish
Hello

Going on a 1.5 tuna trip and about to get my reels spooled

Wondering what’s the difference between me filling it w braid and putting on a short fluro leader vs mostly braid with some mono and then putting on fluoro

I guess the main difference would be the mono in between the braid and fluoro. What purpose does the mono have?

What’s the difference and what do y’all experts prefer?

Thanks in advance.
 

bullyo

Member
Aug 5, 2005
353
160
43
42
San Marcos
Name
Anthony
Boat
None
They say that the mono provides some shock absorption for the dreaded head shakes. Equates to less pulled hooks is what I hear. For the record, I have not had a hook pull with this set up as of yet. Small sample size though of 6-10 bait fish
 

Thomas Lim

Newbie
Aug 31, 2018
91
12
8
Los angeles
Name
Thomas
Boat
I wish
They say that the mono provides some shock absorption for the dreaded head shakes. Equates to less pulled hooks is what I hear. For the record, I have not had a hook pull with this set up as of yet. Small sample size though of 6-10 bait fish
When you say this setup, do you mean with the mono in between? If so, how much mono?
 

geebee

My Member is Well-Known
Nov 12, 2016
815
368
63
San Diego
Name
Gee Bee
Boat
Partial to AZTEC - aspiring to INTREPID
i've observed braid to 100' or so top-shot of mono to short 6' fluorocarbon leader is stealthier on a moderate to slow bluefin bite (live sardines) than braid to short fluorocarbon leader - getting more bites

practice FG knot (join braid to mono/fluoro) - double surgeons (join mono to fluoro) - palomar knot (attach terminal items up to 40# mono) - San Diego Jam knot (attach terminal items 50# and over mono)

i would fish all mono until i got the knots down... you don't want your knots breaking
 
Last edited:

double_entendre

Zat is not my tuna
Aug 1, 2010
190
128
43
Huntington Beach, CA
Name
Bob
Boat
Ho, ho, ho your boat
I’m gonna lurk here and watch, but is the trade off of two knots (braid to mono, mono to fluoro) worth it vs. just braid to mono or braid to fluoro?
 

r8rs4lf

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jun 17, 2017
2,034
1,197
113
47
Tree Juan ho
Name
Al
Boat
Salty AF
Besides the stretch that some people feel is a plus, mono in between allows you to change out short (flouro) leaders without having to tie a (more) complicated knot in a hot bite. 2 or 3 turn surgeon (mono to flouro) is quick! Not like tying an FG or Pena (Spectra to mono/flouro) knot.

I've fished both ways and feel bait selection and how far you can cast away from the boat is more important.
 

geebee

My Member is Well-Known
Nov 12, 2016
815
368
63
San Diego
Name
Gee Bee
Boat
Partial to AZTEC - aspiring to INTREPID
more knots equals more potential weak points ... but if your knots are good, braid> mono topshot> fluoro leader gives one an edge live bait fishing for the stealth, stretch, and leader re-ties previously mentioned, IMO
 
Last edited:

kuyamonster

I only wishes to catch some fishes...
May 14, 2009
625
477
63
San Diego/Tacoma USA
Name
Marcel
Boat
Limited load cattle car
All great advice and I've fished both ways successfully the last month on private boats and sporties. Here's the kicker for me: 4-5 foot leader of recommended 40 or 50 lb. test flouro tied directly to your braid. On the recent sportboats that are consistently catching and ones I've fished since Day at the Docks, these bites have been on the long soak. You're going to appreciate less drag on your live sardine as it's swimming 75-100+ yards out. Trust me, pin on a hot bait and if your target is these finicky BFT, there won't be any doubt when you get picked up by these freight trains. More importantly is to have a MINIMUM of 350 yards of 80 lb. braid on your reel. I've seen way too many guys go to battle with smaller two speeds or single speeds who ended up with the inevitable "ping" when they got spooled. Try the old "brake the spool with your thumb" and these fish will laugh at you. (Plus littering the ocean with all that wasted braid sucks.) I use the same knots geebee utilizes above and so far, no failures tied to #1 through #2/0 circle hooks. I also eaten my fill of humble pie when bit off on 30 and 40 flouro, but that has nothing to do with the length of mono if I'm going that route. (FYI, my personal preference mono length I keep at about 50 yards) These early season BFT tuna just have more attitude than the last three years...Good luck out there!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Deno

Thomas Lim

Newbie
Aug 31, 2018
91
12
8
Los angeles
Name
Thomas
Boat
I wish
Besides the stretch that some people feel is a plus, mono in between allows you to change out short (flouro) leaders without having to tie a (more) complicated knot in a hot bite. 2 or 3 turn surgeon (mono to flouro) is quick! Not like tying an FG or Pena (Spectra to mono/flouro) knot.

I've fished both ways and feel bait selection and how far you can cast away from the boat is more important.
with that being said, which set up is easier to cast?
 

Thomas Lim

Newbie
Aug 31, 2018
91
12
8
Los angeles
Name
Thomas
Boat
I wish
All great advice and I've fished both ways successfully the last month on private boats and sporties. Here's the kicker for me: 4-5 foot leader of recommended 40 or 50 lb. test flouro tied directly to your braid. On the recent sportboats that are consistently catching and ones I've fished since Day at the Docks, these bites have been on the long soak. You're going to appreciate less drag on your live sardine as it's swimming 75-100+ yards out. Trust me, pin on a hot bait and if your target is these finicky BFT, there won't be any doubt when you get picked up by these freight trains. More importantly is to have a MINIMUM of 350 yards of 80 lb. braid on your reel. I've seen way too many guys go to battle with smaller two speeds or single speeds who ended up with the inevitable "ping" when they got spooled. Try the old "brake the spool with your thumb" and these fish will laugh at you. (Plus littering the ocean with all that wasted braid sucks.) I use the same knots geebee utilizes above and so far, no failures tied to #1 through #2/0 circle hooks. I also eaten my fill of humble pie when bit off on 30 and 40 flouro, but that has nothing to do with the length of mono if I'm going that route. (FYI, my personal preference mono length I keep at about 50 yards) These early season BFT tuna just have more attitude than the last three years...Good luck out there!
thanks. solid advice. exactly the info i was looking for.
Thanks BD for such an awesome community.
 

r8rs4lf

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jun 17, 2017
2,034
1,197
113
47
Tree Juan ho
Name
Al
Boat
Salty AF
with that being said, which set up is easier to cast?
Casting either way, depends on how seasoned your thumb is , bait size, and rod selection. Some people have problems casting braid, some don't. That's something you need to figure out.
 

stuman

Brawndo the thirst mutilator
Sep 18, 2004
1,254
854
113
Oside
Name
stu
Boat
skiff
For a new angler the mono is going to be easier to untangle.
 

HighWildFree

Well-Known "Member"
Feb 16, 2018
444
535
93
OC
Name
Erik
Boat
Moooo!
Mono topshot to ensure you're not "that guy" that has everyone yelling "whose damn braid is this!"
 

plj46

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jan 7, 2008
6,100
5,359
113
Socal
Name
jim
Boat
24 ft grady white
The difference is one knot.
 

AdamHJeep

Member
Nov 25, 2017
110
28
28
39
Baltimore
Name
Adam Harris
Boat
Fish
What is the opinion here on 25ft wind on flouro leader topshots? I have a Makaira 10 spooled with 60lb hollow to a loop. I plan to switch between 30, 40, and 50lb topshots as or if needed (will prob be starting at 40lb). Looking at a 1.5 day in July right now and a 2.5 in the early fall


I travel from the east coast so I try and have multi use setups... my plan right now is to bring 4... an Andros 5n for 20-25lb, Makaira 10 for 30-50lb, a Tesoro 12 for jig casting, and a Penn Fathom 40nld2 spooled with 80lb hollow for flatfall or 60lb live bait if needed.

Opinions? Lay it on me. ThX
 

aguachico

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jul 20, 2004
5,950
1,443
113
El Lago Tijuana
Name
Art
Boat
Trident Yak- Grady White Seafarer
I have moved away from a short floro top shot on the bait rods and added a mono length. I connect the braid/mono with an FG knot and the mono floro with a surgeon's know up to 80#.

I'm hoping it will help with these finicky BFT tomorrow.
 

AdamHJeep

Member
Nov 25, 2017
110
28
28
39
Baltimore
Name
Adam Harris
Boat
Fish
I have moved away from a short floro top shot on the bait rods and added a mono length. I connect the braid/mono with an FG knot and the mono floro with a surgeon's know up to 80#.

I'm hoping it will help with these finicky BFT tomorrow.

What setups are you bringing? How long of a mono topshot? Fo example... if I did a 25ft wind on of 40 or 50lb straight Flouro? Or should I do a wind on of mono and tie on short 5ft flouro at the end
 

aguachico

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jul 20, 2004
5,950
1,443
113
El Lago Tijuana
Name
Art
Boat
Trident Yak- Grady White Seafarer
I have a mxj loaded with 60#, then about 50 yds of 40# mono and a 6ft piece of 40# floro. The JX will have 25 yds of 60# mono and 6ft of 60# floro.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AdamHJeep

AdamHJeep

Member
Nov 25, 2017
110
28
28
39
Baltimore
Name
Adam Harris
Boat
Fish
I have a mxj loaded with 60#, then about 50 yds of 40# mono and a 6ft piece of 40# floro. The JX will have 25 yds of 60# mono and 6ft of 60# floro.
What drag do you fish the 40lb and 60lb respectively on those reels? Also what rod rating and length for each?

Thx for the input.