Defiance 220ex repower

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  1. jonbackman

    jonbackman Newbie

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    071F6EAA-0219-436D-828F-00C4FA0FDD62.jpeg Hey Guys,

    I know there are several Defiance owners on here, including myself. I bought a 2009 Admiral 220ex a couple years ago. I’m very happy with the boat; layout, cabin space, fishability, everything except the power. It came with a Honda 150. There’s a lot of past discussion on this, and I won’t drag it out, but I currently have a pretty good option to go to a 2018 Yamaha 200 w/ under 100 hrs. I’m looking for real experience-based opinions on the 200 pushing that boat out of the hole quick, with plenty of fuel in the tank and 4+ people on board. Most of my time is in MA7, with an occasional trip to NB. Seems like the Yamaha 200 is a good weight/power ratio.

    Thanks for your thoughts
     
  2. Swede

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    Still an in-line 4 instead of moving up to the toque of a V6....
     
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  3. Fireball

    Fireball Not so New

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    I have a friend that has that boat just newer and he has the 200 yamaha on it and that is his only issue with the boat. He feels it is under powered with four guys on it to go fishing. He was saying it a bitch to get to plane and if he is loaded down he has to get guys to shift towards the bow to get up and going. He wishes he would have gone to the 250.

    Good luck with you choice.
     
  4. hawksfan75

    hawksfan75 More questions than answers

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    What's the max for the hull? That's what I'd do... Not helpful advice but I'd also want to make sure I don't spend money to end up in the same situation. Throwing bad money at good...
     
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  5. Hannibal

    Hannibal Hold my rod?

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    I've fished on one of these with an owner that had a 225 he still thought the boat needed more power. He wanted a 250. If you go with 200 you will be left wanting more.
     
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  6. Mpizzle

    Mpizzle Bobber down!

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    I agree that staying with an I-4 won't give you the performance gains you are hoping for. You need to step up into the V6 class to get what you want which is 225 minimum from Yam. And if you're going to do that the cost difference wouldn't justify not getting the 250. I think you would be happy with the 250. Your hole shot is going to be based a lot on torque, and going to a V platform over an inline is where you are going to pick up the necessary torque to get out of the hole.
     
  7. FVSerenity

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    Maybe you are overpropped? Does you engine get to it’s max rpm when you run it wot? If so what is your speed at that point, a simple calculation based on rpm and speed will tell you if your propped correctly.

    If you know your numbers post them here along with the engine model number so we can lookup it’s gear ratio:)
     
  8. Swede

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    @Deviant would say 225hp isn't enough. He had the same boat.
     
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  9. sgwill122

    sgwill122 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I had a similar size boat with 220hp inboard which was a dog, I replaced with a 300HP and was happy. If you are not willing to step up to a 250 I would live with what you got. A 200 will only make you a little less miserable.
     
  10. tuner

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    I would look for more engine displacement. Going to the Yamaha 200 only adds about 450cc of displacement. The HP is 50 higher but most of the gains will be at higher rpm and wont help much getting out of the hole. The new 175/200/225 3.4L Mercury is looking good so far and may be a solid choice for power and weight.
     
  11. Elkfins

    Elkfins Ungrateful Prick

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    like others have said... don't waste your time on the 200. go big or go home.
     
  12. Deviant

    Deviant I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Believe I was the owner
    225 fought to get on plane with a tuna load. Once on plane it moved..,..just don’t throttle down.
    250 or even more.
    The fuel burn between a 250 vs. 225 is night and day.

    Have also fished off of a 200 and he was jealous of my 225.
    Another angler/friend had the 250...his fuel burn of more power working less extended his range by quite a bit.

    My “Defiance Experiance” was not good. Boat had issues from production/first day. After the issues, wife and I wanted a bigger boat. Now I have a beast of 29’ and my diesel performs at sea level.....

    Cost of repower vs. reboat
     
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  13. Odin7

    Odin7 Odin7

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    Keep in mind that the flotation chamber under your offshore bracket might not be sufficient to keep the scuppers above the water line if you add too much weight with a heavier engine. At rest, the aft end of your dance floor will fill with water.
     
  14. Deviant

    Deviant I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Unless you have a three chamber bracket
     
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  15. Odin7

    Odin7 Odin7

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    Not likely on his, as it is a 2009. Remember "Hawaiian Style's"? He put a 250 Honda on the back. I was talking to him at Neah Bay while he was standing near the stern as water sloshed around his ankles.

    I had a 150 Honda on the back of mine (year 2011) and felt it too was under powered. It was absolutely fine from Tatoosh east, but I got a charlie horse in my sphincter every time I crossed the bar out of Westport if the water was a little dicey.
     
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  16. Quan

    Quan I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I have a Honda 250 on mine. I do not stand in water with 4 of us loaded down with ice and tuna. I love my 220ex with a Honda 250.

    My 2 cents. I can give you more pennies if you're interested.
     
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  17. Ragin Cajun

    Ragin Cajun There's no better place than on the water!

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    In had a 220 also. If you're fishing the sound only the 200 is ok. Mine was sluggish getting on plane when running for halibut or tuna but great in the sound. Also need more power in the following seas.
    Since the hull is rated for 250. I would recommend getting the 250. 4 guys plus gear,ice and shitty weather you'll be glad you had the 250. The extra power will also help in the sticky bar crossing.

    Shoot me a PM if you want more details. Pete
     
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  18. Deviant

    Deviant I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    He had a 200.
    He added two “boxes” to get the extra floatation
    That lead to defiance updating the brackets
    As far as I know he never went to a 250
     
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  19. Barracuda1

    Barracuda1 Master of None

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    Max it out! I will on my repower
     
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  20. Deviant

    Deviant I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Better too much horsepower and not need it, then need it and it is not there
     
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