Daisy Chains and Spreader Bars

May 16, 2006
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sometimes oahu.....mostly iraq occasionally afghan
Name
mike
Boat
25 ft powercat "Crazy Haole"
You have to put it in gear? (Sound of pen furiously taking notes). When I first started running Fred's bars I was worried about 'hoos and such hitting the unarmed squids, bitin' 'em off. I can hear the 'hoo talkin' while feeding on each successive squid, "it loves me, it loves me not". I have not had that experience of yet. The only time that I've had fish attack the wrong squid, that I"ve visually noticed or seen forensics of such when examining the bars at days end, have been with schools of sierra. The little dudes are like Hells' Angels', they don't take turns. Even with the pesky black skipjack tuna down here, that love these bars alot, they seem to always wait their turn. I would be interested to know from anyone that runs other kinds of spreaders if this is generally the case.
like i said, i "worry" but the man and his books say stop being a giner and run them for onos they wont hit the teasers they'll hit the chase bait. the man has spent more time on the water then i have been alive so i have no reason to doubt what he says. not to mention his bars are made chock full of o.c.d. love. the attention to detail put in them is impressive, i wish i could rig like that.
 

Mingo

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jan 8, 2008
292
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Seattle ("PC central")
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Mingo
Boat
in the future
sierra..... The little dudes are like Hells' Angels', they don't take turns.
:hali_ruahahaha: funny and TRUE......I lost about $50 worth of gummy minnows to those ravenous bastards my last time in Cabo....chop chop there goes the fly.....
 

Keta

Ignorant Sheep Farmer
Nov 13, 2005
3,100
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Still in Oregon
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Lee
Boat
3' Too Short
What exactly is your relationship to the good Mr. Archer...in detail. Do you own a piece of his company? Do you have an economic interest in it? Do you work for Mr. Archer? Do you sell his products? Do you make his products and market them?

Why don't you tell the good folks here just exactly what the Jones' relationship is with Mr. Archer, perhaps that way when either of you speak it will make sense regarding these types of posts defending the products..
First, I'll have to say if anyone that has been around for more than a few months and doesn't know that Paragon and Igloo Man are helping Capt. Archer get his bars out to the public I feel they must be brain dead.....they have always been up front about it.


BTW, I don't work for anyone (haven't been able to work for close to 5 years) and I don't gain fianancialy from Fred or the Jonses, I just like Fred, David and Chris and think Archer bars are a well thought out variation of spreder bars and far superior to metal bars. The quality of Archer products is also #1.
 
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Swarthy Dago

Coredor de las olas
Aug 20, 2008
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My name is Nobody
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n/a
Ya know if people would put this much energy into writing their assemblyman and senator we might be able to do something good against the eco-freaks and stop the MLPA from closing our fishing grounds. There's what, almost 80 posts here already, and yes I write my legislators at least once a month.
 
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pargon

I've posted enough I should edit this section
Jan 7, 2006
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mexico
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david jones
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cabo 216, christina
I agree heartily, and write mine not quite as often as you do, but I do. I never thought they might want some bars though, hmmm.....
 

Keta

Ignorant Sheep Farmer
Nov 13, 2005
3,100
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67
Still in Oregon
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Lee
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3' Too Short
Joe,
I do and I've been known to drop by their office a time or two, not as often as when
I lived in Alaska but more than most, heck I even know Alaska Rep. Don Young's chief of staff from Ketchikan. Unfortunatly if we aren't "political" we loose. I also have more time to do so due to my leg injuries.
 
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Fred Archer

Big Game's the Name
May 16, 2004
1,195
2
Laguna Niguel/Cabo
Name
Captain Fred Archer
Boat
36 Custom (Cabo)
Not sure what you Island guys call what we call sierra mackerel (picture of one below), but we had lots of them in Cabo and caught big fish to well over 12# frequently on MeatBall bars (bars with sixteen little, 4" teasers) in much deeper water than the rest of the crews that I knew. A Toad teaser was a big help in raising them on the 20, 30, 50 and 100 lines where we found the big units.

They are beautiful, very fast, good fighting fish that the Mexicans guys call "wahoolote". They make great ceviche, sashimi, and are very popular breaded and fried. The smaller ones make good "everything" troll baits and the big ones are very good blue marlin and black marlin and BIG ono baits, rigged and trolled. And ones in the fifteen pound class could really get you in trouble with the biggest versions of those last three.

That's the good. The bad is their wicked teeth and as Pargon noted, their habit of gang-banging the bar teasers and slashing them and the leaders up. I only know of one other fish that does that sort of thing, small king mackerel, which we didn't have down in Mex and I was glad for that. They too are gang-banging slicers and dicers. Those sierra are slippery, slinky devils and they were the leading biters of my crew and kept them busy with the Super Glue patch jobs.

Now the ono's were a different story and I don't know why. Maybe it was because we didn't hardly ever catch little, dinky ones, but we got plenty of multiple stops on schools of medium and bigger ones. They were my best ono catchers and I'd have to go thru my logs to see just how many we caught on what we call WahooBars, but it was plenty. And thru all of those fish, I can only remember having one hit anything but the armed chasebait, and that was a pretty little guy that I actually saw hit the ball bearing swivel that connected my wind-on leader to the top of the lure leader. It was "snick", and no more bar. I'm sure that many of you have been there and done that on that "snick" stuff and you know what I'm talking about.

Actually, I was always surprised that we never got teaser-bit on the bars by ono, but we simply didn't and like I wrote, we caught big numbers of them on them and that's why I told Jeager Mike not to worry about it as far as wahoo are concerned. Now sierra? Different story if you have them or a hula version of them over there. They love little bars, but too much, unless you like re-rigging teasers a lot.

Here's some sierra picts. That biggest one got turned into a swim bait for marlin, but a big ono ate it instead after only minutes in the water. It was over a buck, so that was okay with me...I'll take a big ono over a marlin any day. I know, I'm a sick dude, but I just love those FangBangers and have been an ono nut case since I caught my first one over fifty years ago!

Those red fish are pargos, the grouper is obviously a grouper, there are some Pacific yellowtail mixed in with the sierras and here's a shot of a WahooBar, a decent-sized sierra it caught, along with some regulation ono that it slayed that day. That picture was taken on a trip to Magdalena Bay that Pargon's son, Igloo Man was running. Thanks, guys! And here's one that was slid in the transom door, taking a nap. Believe it or not, that's what they do when you don't gaff 'em, you just slide 'em in the back door..."snooooorrre!"

"BAR the door, Katey, dem FangBangers are comin'! Pow, pow, pow, pow! QUAD! Lines tight, keep drivin', no gaffin' or noggin conkin', just slide 'em in the transom door and put 'em in the box while they just lay there and get a sun tan."
 

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