CRB Power Wrapper Gen 2

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    Capt Richie

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    really dont own many of them...I have ELU & Bosch routers hand tool made in USA , England , Germany & Japan ..Blades USA & Israel ..most of my power tool are well over twenty years old ...Big stand alone I like SCMI , Felder , Powermatic/jet made in Taiwan not china ...My HiFi is Mcintosch USA & Naim/Linn England Scotland But I do drive a Acura ..
     
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    Bill W

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    really dont own many of them...I have ELU & Bosch routers hand tool made in USA , England , Germany & Japan ..Blades USA & Israel ..most of my power tool are well over twenty years old ...Big stand alone I like SCMI , Felder , Powermatic/jet made in Taiwan not china ...My HiFi is Mcintosch USA & Naim/Linn England Scotland But I do drive a Acura ..
    I am typing on an Apple ipad. It is a world market.
     
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    Jasonak

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    I just received the new CRB RBS Pro Gen 2 power wrapper kit from Mudhole a few days ago. I have used Gen 1 for years and love that thing with all its attachments and cool features, so I was eager for Version 2.0. Mistake. After the unboxing I fired off email to Mudhole. They replied and said I'm wrong, except maybe the eyebolt problem. Here's my half nasty comments penned extra special for the Bloody Decks rod building community.

    1. NO TENSION ROD. The tension rod is like having four hands and makes it soooo easy to start a wrap, cut a string, add a thread, tie a knot, start a fade, add a beauty ring, drink coffee, answer the phone, take a pic, write a nasty assed review, and generally go hands free without losing a wrap or missing a beat. Once you learn the tension rod, there's no going back. Without it, back up even one-eighth of an inch everything goes loose for at least 6-8 turns. Well fuck that. Who else relies on a tension rod almost every moment of the wrap process? Sean at mudhole thinks no one needs a tension rod.
    2. The power cord from the foot pedal to the motor is 58" long. They're sending an extension cord or I'm going to grow a ten foot leg.
    3. The foot pedal is an ON/OFF switch only and has NO rheostat, NO speed control. In my mind, that's a product killer, a non-starter. Again, Mudhole says I'm wrong. One speed and one speed only is enough. Change it with the knob on the motor or nothing. If I'm working on the tip of a 10' rod, I need a 9' arm.
    4. The eyebolts in the thread carriage have always been crappy. The inside circumference is ridged with tool marks and wrecks threads. I filed and polished mine to a mirror finish. I don't expect them to be replaced by Mudhole with polished bolts, but I do expect the crappy interiors to be mentioned in the instructions. If you do what I did, wreck two rods before figuring it out, you'll be very unhappy.
    I went straight to the source and voiced my criticisms. They were met with some half rude feedback that I should learn how to wrap rods his way. Uh? No. If I were new at rod building and bought this kit, I'd hate it even more. It's a middle finger to the new guy.

    Am I being petty? Or is this thing crap in a box? Not that it can't be fixed, but seriously I don't want to have to re-learn rod wrapping by taking two steps backward. It's obvious that Mudhole did NOT have an independent focus group critique their product before the fact, and I think they're going to get a lot more complaints than satisfied users they way it is now. I told them that they're going to confuse any new guy who buys this kit and sour everyone on the product out of the gate. What about YOU?

    Ten foot leg. Nine foot arm. Who are they kidding?

    The pic shows the way I use a 4-bobbin with the 2-bobbin. The four spool carriage in back feeds the tension rod in front. Works great. Up to 6 spools ready to go.

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    The Gen 1 wrapper wasn't just good; it was great. Boy, did they fuck up a good thing.

    Gibbs's rule #51 - Sometimes you're wrong. Am I wrong?

    Focus Group? Huh? You guys are mine. Focus.
    Great, I just bought the G2 also 😡, have not received it yet but is on the way!
     
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    GClev

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    Great, I just bought the G2 also 😡, have not received it yet but is on the way!
    You're going to love it. The upgraded version shipping now is probably the best power wrapper on the market for the hobby builder or one-off customs for many reasons. It's really good for decorative work.

    Two things:

    1. Clean up the tool marks inside the eyebolts before wrapping anything.

    2. Add the 2-spool thread carriage with the tension rod so you can go hands free, stop in the middle of something, or back up a turn or two. The tension rod simplifies all the tricky stuff, knots, trim bands, thread changes, twisted threads, tiger wraps, answering the phone, drinking coffee.

    I went back and forth with Mudhole several times by email, politely, on how to make the G2 even better, and then posted, then edited, a couple of reviews, with pics, and they definitely responded, with the new pedal, the longer extension cord, connectors for customizing an even longer cord for those 14' one-piece surf rods, and now the 4-spool thread carriage tension rod adapter. Good on Mudhole.

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    Mtnfshr

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    I went back and forth with Mudhole several times by email, politely, on how to make the G2 even better, and then posted, then edited, a couple of reviews, with pics, and they definitely responded, with the new pedal, the longer extension cord, connectors for customizing an even longer cord for those 14' one-piece surf rods, and now the 4-spool thread carriage tension rod adapter. Good on Mudhole.

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    At least they took your's, and probably others, suggestions as constructive and modified their new units and provided the upgrades to make things better for all ahead. Well done and good on you, and them for doing so.

    It's proven that you gain more with sugar water than with vinegar. 👍
     
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    GClev

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    It's proven that you gain more with sugar water than with vinegar.

    Sticking up a thread on BD with more than 3k hits helped a bit too. The West Coast (San Diego) is less than 2% of their business, but they were listening. Getting responses from the honchos at American Tackle and Batson Enterprises helps too.

    Mudhole also added this front rail slider. With all these accessories, the G2 accommodates every wrapping style. They really responded to everyone's suggestions.

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    GClev

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    Whatever the power wrapper, from Pac Bay to Renzetti, add another $900-$1100 for the dryer, handle building gear, tools, and accessories. That includes zero supplies.

    The CRB G2 with all the mods and the handle kit (~$1600) is popular and a lot of the accessories are sold out or in low quantities. They sell as fast as they arrive.

    If I were buying a machine for my tackle shop, it would be the Flex Coat and their wall mounted dryer (~$1100). Add the handle making kit ($400). This one is a production machine and nothing too fancy.

    Maybe add the cork lathe ($260) if you're doing a lot of cork or EVA. The lathe goes outside or in the dirty end of the garage and no where near the finish epoxy space. It's messy.
     
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    Flashbitecustomrod

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    I really like the stand at 1st look but after I ordered some wheels to custom my stand I changed my mind. Be careful with the O ring, when it is cracked on the plastic wheel it is still better to save your rod than the aluminum wheel when your blank is rolling. I was lucky to remove the crack O ring before i spin the blank on it.

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    GClev

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    Black O-rings are usually neoprene or nitrile rubber and are prone to ozone checking in air.

    CRB rod stands new in the box arrived with cracked O-rings. The CRB replacement O-rings cracked almost immediately after they were installed.

    Silicone O-rings are usually red or orange and are far more durable. They work better on rod stands than neoprene or nitrile for sure.

    Look for 1/8" O-rings, 1 5/8" I.D. x 1 7/8" O.D. I ordered from McMaster-Carr. They're also available at Grainger.

    CRB o-rings heavily checked after a few months of use.

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    Silicone replacements
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