CONVERT ROLLER GUIDES TO BOAT GUIDES - Pics?

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  1. geebee

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    First: Most of the 80-100 lb class used west coast rods for sale seem to have AFTCO roller guides (ie, trolling rods) -- do you think that is because people are moving towards regular guides and getting rid of their roller guides?

    I just picked up a 6-foot Grafighter 760H with AFTCO rollers and am considering if I should convert it to boat guides or just fish it with rollers for 190lb class tuna (flat falls, yo-yo jigging, dropper loops, chunking, sinkered sardines) on 80-100 pound line, spectra-mono-floro (no trolling or kite).

    Any opinions on that welcome.

    Does anyone have detailed AFTER shots of a replacement conversion to see what to expect regarding how clean the old guides came off and overall appearance of the job? Maybe a how-to link or video on the specific process on heavier saltwater fishing rods...

    I removed guides and wraps before but always put them in the same place, am pretty sure it would take additional boat guides and re-spacing the guide layout so i am curious how that looks, what kind of scars are left on the blank...
     
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    I don't think there's any converting.Just cut off old guides carefully,sand the blank.Refinish and re-space new guides.And yes it would probably need more guides going from roller to standard.Keep in mind some blanks will change color if you sand them.I'm not sure about a Grafighter though.
     
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    Why go through the trouble of changing it? The roller guides still work just fine.
     
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    Thanks, before I had trouble getting the hump of flexcoat off the blank where it sealed the blank to the thread on both ends - in other words - the thread unravels fine taking the flexcoat with it until there is no more thread, then it leaves a last ring of flexcoat to chip away at.

    Is there a trick to getting that last ring of flexcoat off (I want to avoid applying any heat to the blank, I could live with humps)?
     
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    Yes that's a good point, I prefer boat guides...
     
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    You can sand it be careful not to sand into the blank.
     
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    JTrelikes I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Moderate amount of heat is the best way to go. Clean the blank up spic and span..........sand the surface smooth..........decontaminate with DNA or acetone........refinish with a urethane based finish.
     
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    build a UC CXJ603 and be done with it...
     
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    HEAT: I read some stuff before I posted - the glass/graphite blank contains bonding resins that could be adversely affected by misapplied heat intended to weaken the flex coat bond to the blank - that made good sense for (me) skipping the heat option.

    SANDING: I actually have some experience with sanding and refinishing - trying to chip away at the humps and sand them down is beyond my skill set.

    I could most likely heat and sand the blank to improved smoothness and refinish the blank to a polished appearance, but common sense tells me not to go there...
     
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    Me thinks we fish in two different worlds - or at least have two different fishing budgets.
     
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    I've converted a number of old Sabre 655's, 655H's etc from all rollers to conventional boat guides. It is easy to do and looks good but I only do it when the rollers are in bad shape and the rod is not worth very much money. I would never do it with an expensive rod like a Calstar grafighter. A 760H with all rollers is worth a good chunk of money. You could sell it as is and probably get enough money to buy or build a really nice rail rod. On a 6' rod like a 760H you are probably not going to be doing a lot of casting and the roller guides will work perfectly fine for dropper loop, yo yo etc. Just keep the rod as is and look for a good deal on a nice used heavy rod with ring guides.
     
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    Your input makes a lot of sense based on experience ... my heavy casting rig is GF 700XH with ring guides.
     
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    You are in very good shape. The 700XH is good for a heavy bait outfit and the 760H is good for heavy drooper loop etc. I have been using an all roller 760M for dropper loop at Guadalupe for the big yellows but a 760H would be even better.
     
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    Will braided line behave any different with roller guides as appose to ring guides?.
     
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    I SAID MODERATE HEAT AND THAT'S TO REMOVE THE OLD FLEX COAT.

    You are so aggravating. That's the last time I share the least little bit of first hand knowledge with you.
     
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    Ahmen Jim! I thought about responding then realized who was posting. Decided better for my BP numbers to pass. You are a better soul than me! You can lead a jack ass to water...!
     
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    grandma used to say water seeks its own level and this place has a definite undertow...
     
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    I had Father Time take the old Aftco rollers off an old Truline 2pc troller. And replace it with Alps Mildrum guides. That is such a sweet rod now.
     
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    I watched a very skillful Mattanza (Rick) take a razor blade to the finish on a VBG he has. No sandpaper, no heat. And it was spotless and nickless in nothing flat.
     
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    I stripped a few of mine after watching him. Pretty easy after a lil practice. But if I hadn't watched him, I wouldn't try.
     

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