Shimano Connecting Maxcuarto

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Is it possible to splice the 50lb test into hollow spectra? If so how would it be done? Am I better of simply tying it ? What line to line knots work best?
 
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I have not tried to splice MC into hollow, but I have done it with standard Power Pro into Hollow. You just need to go in and out of the hollow several times to get it to bite. Just like splicing hollow into hollow, but with more passes.
 
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A few threads running over the past few weeks about solid braid to mono/fluoro connections. I just put up an FG thread testing various line classes last night. The FG, Tony Peña, and RP seem to be fam favorites. There are others of course, but those are the top 3 that folks mention.

FG is super low profile and strong, RP is strong a bit larger, but quick to tie. No experience with TP.
 
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FG, RP, and TP are for braid to leader, not for braid to braid. Maybe the RP or TP will work, but FG almost certainly won't. Aside from straight up splicing I've seen loop to loop done with a Bimini on the solid braid. Charkbait did that with my 100# MC to 130# hollow, although I'm not sure how stoked I am about another knot 100 yards into my spool.
 
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I personally do not like splicing braided line into itself unless you are using hollow. It's not worth the cost savings to add a weak spot in the line. The one issue with braided line is knot strength. Adding more knots creates a potential weak spot.
 
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Dan do you mean you only prefer hollow-hollow and dislike hollow-solid splicing? Not to thread jack, but I'm interested in better connections from solid to hollow unless you really encourage getting away from any braid-braid connection. I'm good with the FG but I really prefer a hollow loop-loop for quick changes.
 
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I only splice hollow to hollow for braided line. I no longer splice solid to solid. The hollow to solid was just an experiment while I was the product manager for the line. I tested several knots and connections on the knot machine we have in the office.
 
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I personally do not like splicing braided line into itself unless you are using hollow. It's not worth the cost savings to add a weak spot in the line. The one issue with braided line is knot strength. Adding more knots creates a potential weak spot.

Sportfishing magazine does their knot tests every few years, and this was their conclusion as well. There really are no good knots for tying braid to braid.

I used a double uni to join 2 pieces of Maxquatro. easy peezy.

People really love this knot. Never understood why, it is not particularly strong, and is harder to tie, and more bulky than stronger knots like the improved Albright (Bob Sands). Tying braid to braid with a uni knot you would lose about 1/2 the breaking strength......
 
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Sportfishing magazine does their knot tests every few years, and this was their conclusion as well. There really are no good knots for tying braid to braid.

I was under the impression that hollow to solid splices were 100% and if you were so inclined you could use a piece of hollow to bridge two lengths of solid together.
 
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People really love this knot. Never understood why, it is not particularly strong, and is harder to tie, and more bulky than stronger knots like the improved Albright (Bob Sands). Tying braid to braid with a uni knot you would lose about 1/2 the breaking strength......

I wouldn't use an Improved Albright/RP/JC or Tony Pena/Bob Sands knots to join spectra to spectra. Those are for joining a fluoro/mono leader to spectra.
 
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I was under the impression that hollow to solid splices were 100% and if you were so inclined you could use a piece of hollow to bridge two lengths of solid together.

There's some discussion about this right now in the long range forum. Multiple accounts of these spices slipping. It's OK if the solid is significantly higher test than the hollow, but going the same or lighter solid into hollow and the solid just isn't fat enough for the hollow "finger trap" to bite on.
 
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There's some discussion about this right now in the long range forum. Multiple accounts of these spices slipping. It's OK if the solid is significantly higher test than the hollow, but going the same or lighter solid into hollow and the solid just isn't fat enough for the hollow "finger trap" to bite on.
My understanding is the solid needs to be doubled up (I assume to create a diameter that would bite) and then pinched in place like a knotless connection with nail knots and possibly glue as well.
 
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My understanding is the solid needs to be doubled up (I assume to create a diameter that would bite) and then pinched in place like a knotless connection with nail knots and possibly glue as well.

This is how I do it. My reels are backed with solid, then spliced to hollow for the last 50-100’. Double the solid, insert at least 3 feet, double nail knot at the entrance point, and a dab of flex glue to keep the serve from unravelling. No problems after 5 years of use on virtually all line tests.
 
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Is it possible to splice the 50lb test into hollow spectra? If so how would it be done? Am I better of simply tying it ? What line to line knots work best?

It’s possible to put the 50lb mc into hollow spectra. I doubled up the 50 mc and put it about 5 feet into 60lb jb. I tied 3 nail knots on the end because I was paranoid. Got a 90lber on it at Guadalupe with an accurate 400.

I feel like the 65 mc works better because it’s slightly larger. I also use this with 60lb jb but do a 3 foot insertion with double line. Got 2 BFT at the 43 to 100lbs on it. I was fishing a 500n and had the drag pinned to 28 at full.

My advice is to buy the 65. I got 475 yards in a 500n. If you want a bunch of 50lb mc, I’ll sell you 400 yards for 20 bucks.
 
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I am thinking of tying a uni to uni. I don't know how to splice or have the gear. The splice would be an expensive connection which I can't be assured will hold. Thanks for the insights everyone.
 
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Uni-uni solid-hollow? That makes no sense and defeats the purpose of using hollow; you're better off just going straight solid braid to fluoro. Whomever puts your hollow on can connect it, at the very least a Bimini on the solid and a cats paw loop-loop connection. If splicing is too great a cost then adding hollow makes no sense.
 
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Maxcuarto is solid. I would like to add more of it to a reel. Splicing in a piece of hollow line to connect two solid lengths of line is a option in my mind. However, if it can not be done with a high probability of holding together I may simply be better of tying a knot to connect solid to solid. Does that make sense?
 
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Maxcuarto is solid. I would like to add more of it to a reel. Splicing in a piece of hollow line to connect two solid lengths of line is a option in my mind. However, if it can not be done with a high probability of holding together I may simply be better of tying a knot to connect solid to solid. Does that make sense?

I guess it depends on how trusting you are of your connecting knots. Also depends on where that connection is on the spool. Personally, if the connection is buried deep in the spool, I wouldn’t have a problem with it. If there’s a high probability of that knot showing up while a fish is running, I’d probably just respool with fresh line. That $100 that you may spend on the respool is a small price to pay for piece of mind IMO.
 
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I don't recommend a bimini to cats paw. I had one fail last year on a 200+ lb BFT after 30 minutes of tight drag. It was a crotch break with 80lb yellow maxcuatro and 100Lb flouro leader. FG or RP knot have worked without fail.
 
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I am thinking of tying a uni to uni. I don't know how to splice or have the gear. The splice would be an expensive connection which I can't be assured will hold. Thanks for the insights everyone.
The uni-uni is a bad connection. I’d probably do 2 biminis and do loop to loop.

I personally like hollow and I catch a lot of fish with it in scratch conditions. I’d just fill the reel with hollow. Also 800 yards of line is unnecessary on an lx. You probably don’t need more than 600.
 
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