Colored Guilds

mrbrklyn

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I am wondering what people think are the best colored guilds. I build a rod that is blue with blue internal guilds, from American Tackle BTRLS-10 RingLock Typhoon™ High Frame Guides. Two the ceramic inserts broke the other day, after only about 3 months of use. Needless to say, that made me a bit unhappy. I see UC uses gold inlets from an ALPS guild ALPS Medium XN – MXN-Guide in gold inlay which is not even available on the ALPS website. ANd they don't have blue. What would be the best of guild choice for color?
 
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Mtnfshr

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Yes, you can get them from Get Bit. A word of caution though: when ordering from them, use PayPal for your method of payment. In the past, people have had their CC info stolen and used to make purchases elsewhere. It wasn't anyone at Get Bit that did it. I don't know if it ever got straightened out.

Utmost Enterprises is very close to the Batson Headquarters. They can get whatever you need easily. That holds true for the entire ALPS Catalog of items. It's also owned and run by one of the Batsons.
 
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mrbrklyn

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those alps are best? Those are Zirconium inlets. Are they inherently brittle?
 
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Chandler Carpenter

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I’ve never used the American tackle ones yet (have a set that I am planning on using soon). Yes they’re more brittle than aluminum oxide rings. Anytime you go to the harder rings they are going to be more brittle/fragile. If the rod is one that is abused they will break, but in normal use they are generally stronger. But I’m pretty sure all the colored rings (amtak or alps) are the harder more brittle rings
 
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mrbrklyn

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The thing I here every time I go to get a rod built and I want the colored guilds is that they suck and they want Fuji. Sure enough, I lost guilds for the first time with these blue American Tackle Trophies.
 
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Darrin Heim

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The fact of the matter is that ceramics of any kind regardless of brand can crack or break, generally due to impact of some sort even if identifying exactly how and when is difficult. Most guide factories don’t make their own rings (not all of them) so they contract out to factories often making multiple brands’ rings. And any brand experiencing ring issues will quickly change materials or processes to avoid any problems whatsoever rather than continue to offer guides posing future issues. AT is one of those companies who watches and investigates all product reports, so far we haven’t received any regarding these colored rings but will reach out to mrbrklyn about replacing the broken guides.

As for brittleness of rings as I mentioned above, ceramics can fracture due to impact etc. but interestingly enough due to the process and material applied, PVD coated rings can be harder than standard uncoated rings.

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mrbrklyn

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aren't the best ceramic material made in the US defense industry?
 
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mrbrklyn

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I’ve never used the American tackle ones yet (have a set that I am planning on using soon). Yes they’re more brittle than aluminum oxide rings. Anytime you go to the harder rings they are going to be more brittle/fragile. If the rod is one that is abused they will break, but in normal use they are generally stronger. But I’m pretty sure all the colored rings (amtak or alps) are the harder more brittle rings


what is more important then them being harder and less brittle? Why would you ever use a more brittle insert?
 
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cmepen

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    Alps guides are durable, sturdy and aesthetically pleasing. They are also priced well for what they are, and offer great value. I have found Alps guides widely available (Utmost, Getbit, Island Tackle...) unlike some of the other brands out there. Also, Alps offers an extensive guide line up from color, type, style and strength. They have what you are looking for at a reasonable price.
    Like Ed and Ralph I would recommend Alps guides.
     
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