Cleat install without through bolt

Hellosugaree

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Hey,

I would like to install cleats on my 13' boston whaler near the bow with anchoring in mind. As you know there's no access to the back of the glass for a typical through bolt install.

Is there any reason to think that 4 #10 screws isn't strong enough to hold a cleat under normal anchoring scenarios for a small boat. I'm not planning on leaving the boat anchored overnight in a violent storm.

Should I specifically look to place this in an area with wood under the glass?

Why the shit do these boats come with an anchor locker but no cleat.
 

hucklongfin

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Can't you mount a cleat above the locker and use a backing plate in the locker?
 

Hellosugaree

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Can't you mount a cleat above the locker and use a backing plate in the locker?
No. The locker is essentially a cutout on the bow deck with a hinged door covering the whole cutout, so the only deck space above the locker is the door.
 

finfan

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can you use a bow roller and place the cleat with a thru bolt and backing plate in the locker sidewall?
 

ahidog

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I wouldn’t if your anchor gets stuck and you have to use power to unstick it it might not hold
 

Hellosugaree

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can you use a bow roller and place the cleat with a thru bolt and backing plate in the locker sidewall?
I'll put up a picture of the locker. I promise there's no place to through bolt this boat anywhere unless you go all the way through to the wet side of the hull.

There's a lifting eye near the locker which I can tie to but it causes the rope to run pretty hard against the rail. I suppose I can just put a chock on the bow to guide the rope. I guess this would take less stress than tying to cleat in the same spot.

I still like the idea of having a cleat.
 

plj46

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Four #10 screws isn't going to hold for long using an anchor unless you have some serious backing and a long enough screw.
 
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Hellosugaree

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If it did I would be tying off to the norman pin per it's intended function.

it looks more like this (stock photo but it looks nearly identical except my railing goes around the bow completely):

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Theres a small lifting eye in the recess which is what I'm currently using. I tie to a carabiner and clip it to the eye but the rode runs sharply against the fiberglass and against the nav light which is held down with 3 tiny screws.

Ideally I would put a cleat on either side where the railing ends in this photo that could be used for anchoring, docking, hanging fenders, etc. In this scenario I'd put a chock up front to keep the rode in line with the cleat and running cleanly over the edge of the front rub rail.

Boston Whaler has a diagram showing 3/8" phenolic at all places where the railings attach as well as where I'd logically put cleats anyway. I'm assuming this is there specifically to fasten stuff to:
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MATTANZA

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here's how i fixed my bow rail. getting ready to do the same for the bow cleats.
 

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Islandrat

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Put it in the box, on that verticals wall over the drain hole. Make sure it is stout. May have to use a plate and a roller on bow would help
 

Reefer

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What I'd be thinking is to install one or more inspection plates inside the anchor locker to gain access to the underside of the bow. Once you've got access, options abound. One would be to remove the combination light and install separate side lights ... port and starboard. Then, a proper roller/cleat combo could be installed on the centerline where it's supposed to be.
 

SouthBayKiller

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There are whaler specific websites you might get better info from. Google is your friend. Be ready with the year and specific hull you have though. Your complaint seems to be a fairly well discussed and common issue.
 

sickcat

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I have had good luck screwing down cleats to mount consoles in small Whalers with a plug of Marine Tex.

Process is locate your holes and drill them say 1/8" for smaller screws. Take a small hex wrench and chuck the long end into a drill. Put the short end into the hole you drilled and chew up the foam about 1" deep down into the foam. Vacuum the shredded foam out of the hole. Put the hex back into the hole and do the same again to make sure you have a pretty clean open hole in the foam. Take a syringe and fill the hole with grey Marine Tex. After the Marine Tex is set up re-drill the correct size hole for your screw. With the grey Marine Tex you can take a tap and thread machine threads into it if you want to use a bolt instead of a screw.

I have done this on 2 different Whalers one of which I cut the deck up and the plugs were perfect. Never had any issue with either boat and one was beaten pretty hard for over a decade.

The Marine Tex method certainly does not replace a big backing plate with through bolts but is much stronger than screws into fiberglass.
 

Tesoro

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Put a bow chock on either side of your light. Then splice a 3 ft section of line to the anchor eye and on the other end splice in a good quality ss clip. ( the kind that has an eye for the rope and then the clip)
Toss over the anchor and when you have the right scope tie a figure 8 loop in the anchor line and clip it to your tether. That lightweight boat isnt gonna suck the knot tight enuf to not undo easily. Prob solved.
 

jayyyy

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You could use stainless togglers or cut an access hole and cover with a pie plate.