always admired Charkbait for giving up Shimano for whatever reasons........ Hard to even find a good analogy for that ballsy move........ They both survive without each other. For quite some time he had a wait and see thing before he agreed to sell new internationals. Now he is selling them- but talks a ton of shit about them selling direct(but still is selling them). The worlds biggest company sells direct and through dealers and remains the worlds biggest company. Apple Not sure why dealers still sell there stuff, pretty sure I wouldn’t. In many or most cases, mfgs perfer to fix warrenty or general repairs on there stuff as most dealers don’t know or care enough to represent the mfg on that level, and when th brand x doesn’t get fixed right by dealer, brand x suffers far more than dealer. Charky also badmouths amazon, although I would guess small tackle shop puts charky and amazon in same category- big retailers bumping out little guys with pricing. Mfg discount these guys more- cause they are selling more product. Reasonable. Oh yea, where was I? If the biggest online dealer is taking a wait and see on slinging internationals- hard to fault Penn for selling direct. If they were discounting off retail- that would be wrong. If they are trying to compensate for biggest online retailer to make up his mind- it seems reasonable(if they want to stay in business. Suggesting Penn is copying Okuma is stupid. Okuma copied Penn, and every improvement or invention is merely a upgrade of existing stuff. What really bugged me is his suggestion that Penn copied Shimano handle- so did everyone one else. First time I picked up a Trinidad I knew it was the handle -not- the the bigger gearset that made it feel good and I would copy it too, if I made reels. I have a penn visx 20 and a sea 20. They both work well. For me I like the Penn- made in America. Makira is made in China.... well the good side of China, I guess- Tawain. Apple is made in China. Big reels are one of the few things we can buy made in America- and I think we should.