Changes to bass regulations proposed

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Mikieb

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I don't keep Calicos of any size, I think it's good Karma with the WSB Gods.
 
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26grumpy

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By the way, comparing today's environmental zealots with great historical figures and avid outdoorsmen like John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt, Gifford Pinchot and Aldo Leopold is a complete farce...


I meet all too many higher-educated folks who hold those who have come before us in contempt.
 
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Larmo

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Another thought to consider is that the enviros got their traction because we did so little for so long. If we had been managing this resource better and policing ourselves the silent majority of middle of the roaders who see the right to fish and the need to conserve as brothers, there would have been no room for a radical coalition to take hold.
 
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caldex

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All around the majority of the ideas are good but I'm with kid creole I live by lax so I'll try to attended if I can get the day off
 
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plj46

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Another thought to consider is that the enviros got their traction because we did so little for so long. If we had been managing this resource better and policing ourselves the silent majority of middle of the roaders who see the right to fish and the need to conserve as brothers, there would have been no room for a radical coalition to take hold.

EXACTLY !
 
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Tues

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Leave the cbass alone. They are fine.

There is only a hand full of PB's that can catch a limit of 3 consistently.
 
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beauzie

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i always release bass, not because i hug trees but because I don't like to eat them. they are great fun to catch but they don't taste good. i agree with the proposed regs.

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If only more people shared your taste buds. Fried Calico tacos are the bomb!! I'm cool with 5 max, 13" min. I'm also fine with slot size too, I already release larger models anyway.
 
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Marcus

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So I am pretty conflicted in this issue. And i know that everyone is going to rip me apart for it. But whatever. Its gonna be my job some day, so I will say it anyways.

As a Natural Resources Management and Global Environmental Sustainability major, I love the CONCEPT of the MLPA as well as the DFG reducing catch and increasing size limits.

Here is my reasoning.

a.) Global Fisheries have been depleted to a point where it will take numerous generations of completely untouched fish to replenish them to a pre-industrialized state.

- in other words. people like to catch and eat fish. if we catch and eat too many of them the entire oceanic ecosystems that they inhabit will be drastically changed and we might be left with conditions that do not allow them to replenish themselves.

b.) Fish population numbers in the ocean are extremely difficult to gauge by any means other than measuring size and age of the average fish that are caught.

- So in all honesty, we have no real idea (other than by using fishing limits in sizes and numbers) to figure out how many fish are left to catch. By closing geographical places, we positively ensure the survival of species by guaranteeing them untouched natural habitat.

c.) Political ideas and Fishermen dont really match up (and it likely never will)

-By forcing meetings between people who don't even think the same way, all we end up doing is arguing and never really getting to the point.

In the end. Here is my 2 cents.

"The MLPA and the DFG are both organizations that were founded on the principles of Species Management and Recreational Preservation. Both of these organizations are doing what they THINK is best (based on Bachelors, Masters, and Doctorate level research) to protect the delicate ecological balances in this world while still allowing us to enjoy our beloved sports (hunting, fishing, mountain biking, etc.). By restricting both sizes and numbers of fish, along with the places we can catch them, the fish have the greatest chance of sustainable population numbers for generations to come."


I don't know about you, But i'm stoked that John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt, Gifford Pinchot, Aldo Leopold, and other people saw where the world was headed and began the campaign that resulted in our national and state park system. The ocean is important. Personally, I agree with those men whom I listed above, I see no harm in restricting destructive practices in areas of rich species biodiversity and habitat.

You are talking about global fisheries. The MLPA is doing little to mitigate any of those fisheries.

CA has some of the tightest regulations on our nearshore fisheries. Very few of our nearshore species are listed as endagered.

Regulations have been working. Wholesale closing of fishing areas was unwarranted and a complete politcal grab by environmental groups who played on the hearstrings by talking about how bad global fisheries were doing.

Can you explain to me how our MLPA's are going to affect global fisheries?
 
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Deno

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This is all they needed to do instead of that MLPA BS!! Here we go again....
 
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Danny

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The ego nazi "people" behind the MLPA were not and are not about protecting fish stocks. They could care less. They are after your right to fish. They want to stop all fishing. We can argue all day long about we should do this or we should do that and it won't make any difference. Adding a slot limit or increasing the size limit won't do a dam thing in our fight to keep our waters open.

That said I am in favor of a 5 fish 13 to 15inch size limit to allow for a bigger bass spawn. 5 fish of this size is plenty of fish for a family dinner.

Getting everybody to throw back that 8lb Calico is not likely going to happen. Personally I do and lots of other guys do too (including Capt. Dave)
 
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Marcus

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I'll be the first to admit that I will shoot a couple of calicos a year when spearfishing.

I'm against a slot limit for spearfisherman. It's completely unfeasible.

If they want one for hnl that's fine.

Before anyone bitches, I rarely fish hnl for calicos and I maybe take 5-10 calicos a year on the spear.
 
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Just a casual observation here:

Looking over boat reports and private reports there seems to be a lot of bass being caught. Has anyone access to past hauls from sportboarts? Has it diminished at all over the last 10 years? Are there just as many fish being taken now as back then but overall a smaller size??

If there are just as many bass being taken nowadays as in the past, then it seems that the population is replenishing itself just fine, it's just that they are being caught so quick they don't get to big sizes as much. But are there statistics that show average sizes being caught? I doubt it, so other than someones personal observations, we cannot know for sure if they are bigger or smaller than in the past.

If the breeding bass are over-fished, then there should be a reduction in reproduction numbers. If there is no drop in numbers, then logic says that the current take is reasonable and sustainable.

Flame away.....
 
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Puddlin Jack

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Just a casual observation here:

Looking over boat reports and private reports there seems to be a lot of bass being caught. Has anyone access to past hauls from sportboarts? Has it diminished at all over the last 10 years? Are there just as many fish being taken now as back then but overall a smaller size??

If there are just as many bass being taken nowadays as in the past, then it seems that the population is replenishing itself just fine, it's just that they are being caught so quick they don't get to big sizes as much. But are there statistics that show average sizes being caught? I doubt it, so other than someones personal observations, we cannot know for sure if they are bigger or smaller than in the past.

If the breeding bass are over-fished, then there should be a reduction in reproduction numbers. If there is no drop in numbers, then logic says that the current take is reasonable and sustainable.

Flame away.....

Up until about 4 years ago Huntington flats would have about a 6 week period with 10,000+ sand bass taken each day between all the landings. That doesn't even cover the hundreds of private boats on the grounds each day.

The bass were all in spawn mode being super hungry and aggressive which is why they were so easy to catch. That bite has not happened even close to those levels in years.

Maybe it's cyclical but I think that annual pressure and massive take of fish trying to reproduce has taken its toll on sand bass populations.

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Larmo

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The ego nazi "people" behind the MLPA were not and are not about protecting fish stocks. They could care less. They are after your right to fish. They want to stop all fishing. We can argue all day long about we should do this or we should do that and it won't make any difference. Adding a slot limit or increasing the size limit won't do a dam thing in our fight to keep our waters open.

That said I am in favor of a 5 fish 13 to 15inch size limit to allow for a bigger bass spawn. 5 fish of this size is plenty of fish for a family dinner.

Getting everybody to throw back that 8lb Calico is not likely going to happen. Personally I do and lots of other guys do too (including Capt. Dave)

Danny, This may be true about some, but it isnt true about them all and some of the whales involved are in fact looking at it quite differently. They can be divided along the right to fish issue but not if we keep fighting the same tired war. Personal attacks won't work and if the plan is to hope the courts set it straight, I just can't see it happening. These MPAs will be with us forever and we need to accept that to make progress. They're actually a good idea just like the National Park system is a good idea and that's why we lost. It's what needs to happen when 50 million people want to live in Southern California.

If we want to fight for the right to fish we need to divide the opposition not galvenize it by broad generalizations. We need to be demonstrable stewards of the resource, as in fact we are. We need to focus on the right to fish and not the right to kill. We will need to speak for the interests of the sportfisherman not the commercial fishing industry. We need to police ourselves and use the example of the national parks to argue the best management strategy is to involve the community by allowing 0 take, barbless artificial fishing in MPAs like in other highly protected fisheries. That is a battle that has yet to be fought and is ready for us if we play our cards right.
 
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Closing sand bass is ridiculous.

The rest, however, is something that I've been hoping for since I started fishing.

IMO, 5 total bass of any kind max with a slot of 13-16" or 12 - 15" would be perfect

Closing sand bass during the hot months is pretty lame. I understand wanting to protect them during the spawn, but maybe lower the limit on them to 2 or 3 during those months.
 
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hucklongfin

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Just a casual observation here:

Looking over boat reports and private reports there seems to be a lot of bass being caught. Has anyone access to past hauls from sportboarts? Has it diminished at all over the last 10 years? Are there just as many fish being taken now as back then but overall a smaller size??

If there are just as many bass being taken nowadays as in the past, then it seems that the population is replenishing itself just fine, it's just that they are being caught so quick they don't get to big sizes as much. But are there statistics that show average sizes being caught? I doubt it, so other than someones personal observations, we cannot know for sure if they are bigger or smaller than in the past.

If the breeding bass are over-fished, then there should be a reduction in reproduction numbers. If there is no drop in numbers, then logic says that the current take is reasonable and sustainable.

Flame away.....


Boat reports count C&R in their counts. The deckies always ask how many I released so they can make it in their counts.
 
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Up until about 4 years ago Huntington flats would have about a 6 week period with 10,000+ sand bass taken each day between all the landings. That doesn't even cover the hundreds of private boats on the grounds each day.

The bass were all in spawn mode being super hungry and aggressive which is why they were so easy to catch. That bite has not happened even close to those levels in years.

Maybe it's cyclical but I think that annual pressure and massive take of fish trying to reproduce has taken its toll on sand bass populations.

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Just my two cents, but based on an early influx of fish this year, I predict that this is going to be another 10,000+ sand bass year. So I guess the fishery aint dead yet...
 
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caldex

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Just my two cents, but based on an early influx of fish this year, I predict that this is going to be another 10,000+ sand bass year. So I guess the fishery aint dead yet...

Ill be extremely surprised if it is one of those seasons ...keyword is YET.. I'm all in for max 3 of one species all day long.
 
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sickcat

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Let me play devil's advocate and say that the fisheries in California are depleted. Even if left untouched, and I mean closing the entire coast to fishing, the fish populations will NEVER return to a pre-industrialized state. What most people miss is that the impact of fishermen on the biomass of fish is miniscule compared to several other contributing factors. The first of these is urban sprawl and the resulting dirty water run off into coastal waters. The second is the amount of shipping traffic along our coast and it's associated pollution. The third is the gross and unsustainable overpopulation of seals. One seal can eat up to 60 lbs of fish per day. Multiply that by the tens (maybe hundreds) of thousands that infest our coast and the numbers are staggering. Even if the shark population bounced back from overfishing by 100% overnight, there still wouldn't be enough predators to put a dent in the seal population that has built up over the last 25 years.

While I agree with the sentiment of your post I would question your ideas on contributing factors.

Water quality a problem? Absolutely! But shipping traffic and seals?? Really?? Shipping traffic certainly does have some impact on water quality but ships themselves not much IMO. Loss of wetlands to make harbors those ships use was a big impact but that happened a LONG time ago.

As for pinnapeds I am not buying that they are the problem. They have an impact now because stocks have been reduced from the "pre-industrial" levels but historically pinnaped levels were certainly a lot higher than they are now and there was enough biomass to support the hungry bastards then.



By the way, comparing today's environmental zealots with great historical figures and avid outdoorsmen like John Muir, Theodore Roosevelt, Gifford Pinchot and Aldo Leopold is a complete farce...

WORD!!
 
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