Catalina lobster and fish ID help

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  1. chef gabe

    chef gabe Eat the collars!

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    Took my son to Catalina this weekend. Had a Great time tugging on good grade bonita. All you wanted. We saved a few for our evening hoopIng. Could not find any yellows.

    At dusk The wind really kicked up and it was a bit sketchy. We tucked into long point and ended the night with one keeper lobster.

    Stopped at the 14 mile bank on the way home to get some rockfish and we loaded up easily. My son gets hammered and pulls up this flatfish. We have caught our share of halibut but this looked different. Turbot or sole? Any thoughts on this flatfish?

    Smooth seas. Happy thanksgiving to all!!

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  3. Bottom Line

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    I'm thinking petrale sole

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    Looks like a petrale sole. Excellent eating.
     
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    Did it have teeth ? If you can stick your thumb in it's mouth it's a sole .If you can stick your thumb in it's mouth and it comes back mangled it's a halibut.
     
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    Petrale sole doesn't have a high lateral arch. On the OPs pic I'm pretty sure I see a high lateral arch.

    Copied from California site I posted
    "Petrale sole are often confused with California halibut because of their similar color and large mouths. However, petrale sole have an even, brown coloration and do not have a high arch in the lateral line."


    Edit:I'm not trying to argue, just trying to get better at fish ID myself.
     
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  7. sdfishkiller

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    That thang is as round as a butterball turkey, definitely not halibut. Petrale. Check tail point too.
     
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  8. Tuna Vic

    Tuna Vic I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Nice going Pops,my son is also named Gabe,named him after Roman Gabriel,that must of been good times right there,nice flatfish regardless of what kind,wtg!
     
  9. chef gabe

    chef gabe Eat the collars!

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    Great way to put it. Not a halibut. My fingers cane back without a racking
     
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    Good info to know. I withdraw my halibut ID. Nice report and fish btw!
     
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    Definitely a very nice Petrale Sole, one of the largest I've seen. They get to 28 inches in a couple of dozen years, but I have never seen one over 20 inches. There is no minimum size limit, and a lot of them are caught by inshore fishermen from beaches and jetties and piers. A number of times back in the day when I was on patrol for the DFG I would see them caught through my binoculars, and while I would walk down the line checking with the fishermen I would see further-down fishermen noticing me coming and then discretely put the Petrale back into the water from their bucket, also starry flounders and others of the dozen common flatfish caught along our coast, thinking that it might be an undersized halibut. I would smile as I got to them and ask them why they threw back a nice sole, it would have been delicious.

    And don't use the "no teeth" rule as an identifier. Various flatfish have teeth, just not always in both jaws, but not the vicious needles that halibut possess. The shape of the tail is a good starting point to identify, just like the bill of a duck is the starting point, not the feather colors.
     
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    swami 805 I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Roman Gabriel That's classics. Was my favorite player when I was a kid. Was so bitter when they cut him loose I still hate the rams. Sorry for the thread jack carry on
     
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    Azarkon I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Nice catch, but the 14 mile bank is off limits for rock fishing, just a head up.
     
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    We ate our fill last night on ceviche made from bonito. As good as any other tuna.
     
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    Memories... my Dad used to take my brother and me fishing out of Long Beach & San Pedro in the 70s, AND to LA Rams games. Loved Roman Gabriel at QB and Merlin Olsen... old time, smash mouth football.

    Great post; got me day dreaming.
     
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    Nice job!
     
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    If it had no teeth, it could be a blow fish.
     
  18. chef gabe

    chef gabe Eat the collars!

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    14 mile has a small section shallow enough and it is legal to fish. Just need to stay in correct depth of 360 feet or less. Season is also open.
     
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    I once did the same, staying in the shallow spot, but it’s sketchy to prove in court even with my saved tracks from my Gps. Fought $600 ticket in Avalon which was a joke, was on a phone line, wasted a whole day. Fine reduced to $200. Not worth it to keep any rockfish there. Learned my lessons the hard way. Maybe get a lawyer next time.
     
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    It's not just a depth issue it's way points on fathom line .
     
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