Bridle set up flat fall OK for smaller tuna?

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  1. JPLomeo

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    Hi Folks,

    I have skulking on these forums and learning from every post!!! Thank you for all the knowledge. I live in AZ and get to fish out of San Diego for tuna only about once or twice a year. I have been reading about all the different ways of rigging the flat falls for tuna, and I think simpler is best. I particularly like the bridle method of attaching the jig (to the bend of a circle hook) with a short kevlar cord. No leader, rings, split ring and all the other paraphernalia. For those who use this method, does this also work on smaller tuna (30 lbs on up)? or would a J hook tied directly to the line (with line run through both end of the jig- so it slides away from head shakes) work better?

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  2. yakdout

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    If you want simpler, just take it out of the package and tie it to your line. It will work just fine.
     
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    Don't use a flat fall out of the package. At a minimum change the hooks. For the bridle setup, just use a smaller hook and keep the length of the bridle under 1.5 inches. I'd use at least a 4/0 super mutu, just in case you hook a larger fish, you will at least have a chance. If you want to see why this setup works so well, set up the rig, then drop it though your hand, you won't feel the hook at all, then try to pull the lure back through your hand, the circle catches every time.
     
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    Go in to Fishermans landing and talk to the guys who work there. Ask them how many cows have been caught on the pacific queen with a 250 gram flat fall pulled straight out of the package. And how many were lost on stock flatfalls. The numbers will surprise you. Everyone thinks they have a better way to rig a flat fall. And while those might also work, they also work fine bone stock.
     
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    Nice Rooster and from a kayak to? I have zero experience fishing flat falls and have read both opinions from so called "experts" on the internet in articles, to different forums. You can always fish some stock and rig some however way gives you the most confidence to see the difference for yourself if any but then what do I know.
     
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    Got 7 roosters all close to 50 lbs from my yak that trip. And I was fishing north of Bahia de los angeles
     
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    If the fish does not eat the entire jig, and the circle hook, and then turn and run, bridling a flat fall will be like pissing into the wind.
     
  8. Let em eat 74

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    Have you seen how deep they swallow them? The hooks pretty much keep the jig from being shit out the other side. I’ll add this.... I have heard of plenty of fish still chewing through bite leaders of 130# or more at times. Bluefin dont lie on their sides amd circle like Yellowfin do. They brownback and headshake and this tears up leaders on deep hooked jigs. I have been using the bridle for a while now (both large and small flat falls) and I am confident it works very well.
     
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    If it works for your fishery, go for it.
     
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    Just realize that there is no guarantee that you are exclusively on small fish, or that a grande won't swim through at the most inopportune moment.
     
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    JP direct message me. I live in Clarkdale Az area near Sedona. I go fishing in San Diego area 5 to 6 times a year. I can show you different ways to rig flat falls from school size tuna to 150lbs plus
     
  12. afraser

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    The majority of the fish are taken on the drop or when the lure is jigged. There is maybe a 5% chance you get bit and the fish doesn't swallow the lure, in this case there is no hook to stick them so they are likely to come back. These lures are small. Tuna down to 10Lb will swallow them. Even on the retrieve the tuna swim way faster so they still swallow the whole lure. Of course if you'd prefer to decrease your hook to land rate, by all means use a j hook. Just trying to help. Seen enough bluefin chew thru leaders, including the Kevlar assist cord.
     
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    What size hooks are you using for bridling?
     
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    I’m going to start a new thread about my trip I just took and some observations I made on it this afternoon when I have time. I used a 16/0 hayabusa circle (very large). I’ll post pics and give accurate descriptions on what works and what didn’t in that thread. Keep your eyes peeled. I took big fish honors on my trip.
     
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    I talked to Taro on the Liberty. He says the same thing. Stock Flat Falls don't seem to be a major problem.
     
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    I agree. I lost a 80# class BF right at color. He chewed through the 380# Kevlar in less than 10 minutes with a J hook. I guess it really depends of how the fish is hooked. If they swallow the jig, then the leader is in jeopardy. If you use a Circle hook, odds are it will land in the corner and you will be in pretty good shape to land the fish Lots of choices.
     
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    Up to about 100lb fish you're probably safe, and prob stand a decent chance on a bit bigger fish, provided you're using the right gear and can put enough pressure on the fish to get them in quick. Smaller fish don't always get the whole jig, especially if they're not actively feeding or going crazy and slamming into everything. Having tail hooks will likely greatly increase the number of converted bites, not to mention the jigs just swim better with the stock hooks.
     
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    I tested that theory on a 7 day to the ridge this last September.

    The yellow fin we were on were up to #25 and i was using a squish jig (love them) with a bridle rig and couldn't get a fish to stick.
    I went back to the out of the box rig and slayed.

    Also a highly respected manufacturers rep. on these boards who i won't speak for told me that of the sport boat captains he had quizzed none had seen a fish landed on a bridled jig.

    for what it's worth.
     
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    Well shit, you caught me. I was paid off by the bridled flat fall association of America to miss-inform all the rest of the world and take over. You’re a hero for uncovering our evil plot. Medal??????
     
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    Interesting. So now I'm just trying to summarize my mental notes of this subject.

    Some say their big blue fin chewed through their assist cord, which means it didn't swallow the hook.
    Some say their big blue fin chewed through their top shot, which means it swallowed the hook.
    Some say they bridled their jig with a circle hook and landed their big fish, which can mean it did or did't swallowed the hook.
    Some say they bridled their jig with a circle hook and didn't catch any small fish.
    Some say they haven't noticed anyone catch a fish on a bridled jig.
    Some captains on San Diego boats say they work right out of the box.
    Some say................whatever....multiple hooks, wire assist cord, treble hooks, J hooks, circle hooks, etc....etc....etc.

    Conclusion: Each method works some of the time, but not all the time. So use whatever you WANT.
     

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