Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by ksong, Jun 10, 2016.
I go on my 8 day in two weeks hope I get a shot.....locked and loaded...
Yes you are.... !!! Should be fun!!
ALL of my long rod conventional jig casting reels are spooled with 80lb solid (even my Torque 30's)... my Penn Baja's tricked out with ceramic spool bearings and dialed in carbontex drags will cast a large 4-5oz popper/plug 75 yards on a SS6480XH with over 500 yards of 80lb solid on them. That's a new school conventional jig setup that WILL seriously put the hurt on 100lb class BFT especially when using the rail to your advantage on a long range boat, verses the rail becoming a HUGE disadvantage to the spin reel angler on a long range boat. I'll bet some of these spin reel pros (at least in their mind) chiming in on this thread have NEVER used a conventional casting reel spooled with solid 80lb braid on a longer traditional jig stick (my guess is that many have never used a conventional long rod jig setup of any kind if the truth be known even an "old school" one spooled with 50lb mono)... they don't have a "clue" what this type of an outfit can do in capable hands!
Same old shit... we get a picture of a 140lb BFT caught on a spin reel here on the LR forum, BUT it was caught on a smaller private that moves with the fish and has MUCH lower freeboard where short pumps with a higher drag setting are a lot EASIER especially when your line is hanging below your rod, plus there are no other anglers getting in your way and the fish cannot use the boat to it's advantage like it can a large stationary displacement hull platform that sits 4-5 times higher off the water!
What about the young dude that recently landed a cow BFT on a jig stick with a Torium 30 on a CA sport boat using the rail to his advantage? I think he was using 65lb braid to 100lb short leader fishing a popper... so go figure!
Why not just fight the fish with the rod in a rod holder. Sounds just about as sporting as what you are describing.
I have no doubt you can cast a popper with that rig to the distance you described. How confident are you that you will get be bird nest free on every cast? Remember fishing popper is about as much as timing and distance. If you're bit with a bird nest or you tangle other angler while trying to free your bird nest will make you popular really quick.
What would be your suggestion for a reasonably priced 100# outfit? Penn Torque with a OTI rod?
That would be an awesome set up.
Penn Torque 7, Twin Power 14k or Saragosa 20K with an OTI Tuna Sniper 60-80.
Ok, now I'm stuck between a Stella 14K or just going big and getting the 18K to mach up with a Black Hole popping rod...I have a Saragosa 10K already so I'm leaning towards the 18K since the 10K and 14K body are the same.
Pros and cons anyone???
That's pretty much what I recall. More than a bit chaotic. The video is after the initial volley of casts.
Also check Daiwa ISLA reel. A guy I know who fish blg bluefin in Cape Cod regularly love the Daiw ISLA reel. I am going to test the reel myself.
You need at least 3 set ups .
Really, those 3 sizes are ideal for their own reasons. Something like this though of course, there are no hard and fast rules:
10k tooners to 75#
14K tooners to 125#
18K tooners to 175#
25K tooners to unlimited.
But what that tells us is that the 14K is gonna be a weight and effort saver for the vast majority of fish in the Socal bight. Until you get some fish under your belt I would go 14K...it really is the most all around size for up to 8 day range, imo. It will easily become your "go to" and still not be too much on dinks.
ps and yes, Daiwa Catalina is totally worthy.
I have been testing Penn Clash 6000 for a whole year. I had many fish with the reel like small tuna, AJ or tarpon. But I haven't test them for any good size of tuna over 50 lb yet.
After testing the reel, I feel good Penn reel which is capable of landing big tuna in $300 range could be introduced soon.
compared the 6000 with my Shimano Saragosa 8000.
In fact, sizes are similar, but the 6000 is lighter ( 20.7 oz vs 22 oz) and has more line capacity.
The 6000 holds 335 yards of 50 lb braid while Saragosa 8000 holds 265 yards of 50 lb braid.
Here is how I fought 140 lb bluefin on a spinning rod out of San Dieguseo.
In fact, it is harder to fight big fish with the technique I use on a small rocking boat than a roomy, comfortable party boat.
It took about 15 minutes the land the fish using close to 30 lb drag.
I used 8' conventional rods for cod and tuna over 30 years and caught way over 1000 tuna upto 250 lb.
And the catch
How to fight tuna using long spinning rod
Whether you use conventional rod or spinning rod, it is not easy to fight big tuna with long rod.
When you fight big tuna using a long spinning popping rod, the short pump is better than long pump by making 1/2 turn or one turn.
It give much more pressure to fish.
The rod length makes a difference and the backbone/power of a rod makes difference. But heavy drag is a must to shorten fighting time.
I rarely use less than 25 lb drag for tuna and goes up to 30 - 35 lb drag if necessary.
You can fight without harness for small tuna under 100 lb , but I highly recommend to use harness strap for spinning rod if tuna are big.
You can get the harness strap from Braid Products and IFTCO and I prefer Braid harness strap.
You should give faster short pumps repeatedly than in the video to give more pressure to tuna, but that is all I can do for an old man.
My friends all laugh at me and won't let me play in any Reindeer games because I have my handle on the "wrong" side. Just feels funky to me grinding hard with my left hand (that may have sounded wrong), rod doesn't feel right under my right armpit either. Funny thing is, I have no problems reeling with my left on my fly rods or ultra-light trout set-ups.
In fact, many guys use right handles of spinning reels.
You can switch handle from left to light on a same spinning reel.
I got a good news today.
Penn is going to introduce new Slammer III which might handle big tuna.
I am going to test the reel as soon as I get one from Penn.
wow you got one! post a report of that trip.
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