Best Knot for Braid to Floro or Mono?

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  1. fishdoggary

    fishdoggary I do what I want Bitch!

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    I still tie the Tony Pena knot... Easy to tie can be done in a few minutes and never had a failure with it..
     
  2. DC61

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    Kevin gives good advice about pulling hard on the knot. This is good advice for any and all knots. I have modified the Rizutto end to add 7 wraps instead of 5. I found that if I didn't pull the Rizutto really tight it tended to loosen up. I tried a dab of TAC glue. It seemed to work, but I found that it created a nub that caught my fellow anglers' spectra when I reeled in amongst a bunch of other lines.

    I found the 7 wrap Rizzuto and pulling it really tight to be my best solution. Your mileage may vary. BTW, Fishy scolded me when I told him about using TAC glue.....
     
  3. FishRock

    FishRock I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    Definitely don't want to glue anything but the tag end, if at all, since the knot will continue to cinch the harder you pull on it. If you glue the whole knot it turns into a rigid sleeve that can pull off the leader.

    I just got off a 14 day trip and while I did not hook a cow I did pull like heck on a few fish using the FG knot. I now use it on everything from 60 mono to 100 fluoro. After the fist fish I did not give the connection a second thought.

    As stated the key is practice whatever you go with until it is second nature and pull on it with your reel set at strike or above. I had no trouble tying it without my glasses regardless of conditions. Just have to calm your mind a little if there is a hot bite and you are trying to get back in the game quickly. Good practice for a lot of what life throws at you.

    I hope the OP is actually reading this.
     
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    as always lots of good advice here its not a new subject but i think always good to revisit...i tie FG, RP and double UNI in that order depending on how wet, cold, tired, dark it is...i think alot of guys including myself are using wind ons with the heavier flouro...i also practice not only in my garage but when i'm out surf fishing or on the skiff, its always a little harder out in the elements when everything is moving so practice practice practice.
     
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    im a firm believer in the RP know (royal polaris) strong easy and goes through guides well...
     
  6. fyermn

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    I have seen the FG knot tied two different ways. One is with the floro or mono around the braided line, and the other is the braided line around the floro or mono leader. Is one way better than the other?
     
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    FishRock I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    "I have seen the FG knot tied two different ways. One is with the floro or mono around the braided line, and the other is the braided line around the floro or mono leader. Is one way better than the other?"


    Never heard of wrapping the fluoro or mono around the braid. Braid around the mono/fluoro bights into the leader and continues to cinch down. other way around I doubt it would get much purchase.

    Curious where you saw leader wrapped over braid?
     
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  8. hucklongfin

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    As always, the best knot to tie is the knot you tie best. A 'better' knot that you tie incorrectly is worse than a lesser knot tied correctly.
     
  9. lasparky11

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    I know but I haven't had the Bob Sands knot break. I don't use the RP knot, I can tie a Bob Sands just as fast. Personally I think the best thing you can do is learn all 3 until your comfortable & confident using all 3. I only use them on 50# & less, 60# & up I use either a "wind on", crimp, or a couple a nail knots & some TAC glue.
    Gene
     
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    X2. Fishy taught me the Tony Pena and it works every time. I don't doubt that the FG is better, but now that I have a knot that never fails and I'm comfortable with it I'm not about to change-----the joys of getting old---hahaha
     
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    I will teach you the FG in July......both the Pena and FG are excellent knots but IMO the FG has several advantages over the Pena....

    This old dog is still trying to learn new tricks..LOL
     
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    Caught 3 bluefin in the 110-150 range in a row on the FG knot held strong no slipping

    FG got my vote
     
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    Go to the Charkbait web page. They have viedos on how to do it.
     
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    Used the FG knot this year on all my braid to fluorocarbon connections, and I am happy to say they all held! Had no problems using the RP knot in the past, but since I was going to Lupe with a better grade of tuna, I thought I might need a "stronger" knot. Learned how to tie the FG knot from a YouTube video.
     
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    For those of you using the FG knot, are you tying the knot using a single line of braid to the leader material, or have any of you first tied a bimini in the braid and then used the double line to complete the FG connection to the leader?
     
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    I use a single line of braid...imo using a double line would not improve the strength of the knot and would only add unnecessary bulk to the knot.
     
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    FG knot and the Improved Albright knot
     
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    No Bimini, just a straight tie.
     
  19. okie man

    okie man I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I’m pretty sure the Bimini would be the weak link in that application
     
  20. Rodless_Jim

    Rodless_Jim I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    I agree with Kerry 100%. A few years ago, someone did some tests on the strength of a bimini twist in spectra and the results were eye-opening. In some cases tying the knot cut line strength below 50% of rated test. If I recall correctly, the best results were using just 20-30 twists, and even then strength fell to 70% of line rating.

    The thing is, the enemy of spectra is heat, and the way you tie a bimini can't help but generate significant heat. It is my opinion that if you really need to tie a double in your spectra, a 5-turn surgeon's loop is a much better option. But in the case of an FG, there's no advantage using a doubled line. Seems like it would make the knot much harder to tie, and wouldn't increase the strength at all.

    Just my $0.02.
     
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