Avet Pro EX 30/2 Vs HX Raptor - Review and Compare

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    avet lever drag saltwater fishing reel review with high resolution comparison photos side by side with braid spectra line - considering which avet reel should i buy an HX Raptor or EX 30/2 - some local advice and information about which is the best reel for bluefin tuna in Mexico San Diego SOCAL island inshore offshore sportfishing boats - reel specs, drags, gear ratios, line capacities compared in unsponsored unbiased review

    i have purchased both the HX Raptor and EX 30 two speed fishing reels new and trying to review them to get a better understanding of the differences between the two - how to best exploit their design on 200lb class tuna fishing - they are my two heaviest saltwater reels

    how would you explain the differences in gear ratios (and how do you fish them)?

    *HX Raptor (2 speed narrow):
    Gear ratios: High 5.4:1 --- Low 1.9:1

    High gear 5.4:1 moves 47 inches of line per crank
    2.0:1 low gear 17 inches per crank
    Line class: 60-100lb
    Drag: 40-50lb
    Weight: 29 oz (1.8 pounds)

    *EX 30 (2 speed narrow):
    Gear ratios: High 3.8:1 --- Low 2.0:1

    High gear 3.8:1 moves 37 inches of line per crank
    1.9:1 low gear 19 inches per crank
    Line class: 60-100lb
    Drag: 35-40lb
    Weight: 49 ounces (3.06 pounds)

    what is the weight difference between the EX 30/2 and HX Raptor:
    the Ex30/2 is 1.26 pounds heavier than the HX Raptor

    *numbers from website: AVETREELS

    both reels appear to have similar spool sizes and line capacities (the EX holds a bit more line)

    AT FIRST GLANCE

    it appears the HX Raptor has the EX beat on the maximum drag (Strike and Full), and more desirable gear ratios except for heavy trolling and kite usage...

    my HX is on a Calstar GF 700XH 40-100 7' boat guides rod
    current plan is my sardine flyline 60lb rig (100lb braid)

    my EX is on a Calstar GF 760H 50-120lb 6' roller guides rod
    current plan is my flat fall 80-100lb rig (130lb braid)

    i won't be trolling or kite fishing with either rig but i guess the EX 30 (and larger 50 80 series) would be better suited with its conservative gearing and heavier frame...
     
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    i am pretty sure a 5.4:1 gear ratio means the spool turns 5.4 times for one completed crank of the handle

    but why would their low gears be designed at 2.0:1 and 1.9:1 - why not 1.7:1 for example - it seems like their low gears could be a little lower

    or are they saving that for the 3-speed price point
     
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    OK -- IF I’M TALKING TO MYSELF -- HERE’S MY SPIN:

    personality wise, the EX 30 reel reminds me of a basic over-built commercial sewing machine workhorse designed in a simplified classic sense to do one thing: Stitch reliably under heavy professional use

    on the other hand, I would describe the HX Raptor as a sportsman’s reel with its higher and lower gear ratios, much lighter weight, silent dogs, Magic Cast, stronger dual drag system

    if you need a kite or trolling reel or deep-sea monster rig, the EX’s heavier frame and conservative gear ratios would favor the Pro EX reels (i would think)

    BUT TO ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, THE MATH IS EASY:

    the HX Raptor moves the line an additional 10 inches per crank in high gear (over the EX 30/2). And 2 inches less in its low gear.

    HOW those numbers equate to turning the handles under 19-35 pounds of drag I can’t offer a clue (yet)...
     
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    side by side photos of avet HX Raptor 2-speed (narrow not wide HXW, not 3 speed) alongside avet Pro EX 30/2 (narrow not wide EXW, not 3 speed)

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    how much power pro j braid solid 100lb 130lb does HX EX hold - the two Avet reels are loaded with braid spectra fishing line

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    high resolution pictures - it's easy to see and compare reels in this side-by-side photo how the EX weighs 1.26 lbs heavier than the HX Raptor - this camera angle is probably my favorite photo of the HX Raptor versus Pro EX 30 series because it shows a visual comparison in the mismatched weight difference between the two Avet reels - a very important specification if you will be fishing either rig for hours stand up at the rail

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    One was designed as pretty much a trolling reel. The other was designed more as a live bait and jig reel.

    Looking at your photos it looks like you have a lot of room left for line on the EX30 so your capacity numbers are little skewed. Also looks like the line on the HX is pretty loose but that could just be the top couple wraps.
     
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    avet EX 30 side by side HX Raptor fishing reels side views

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    PS:

    thanks it's nice not to hit air

    both lines are new unused installs by Squid folks
    i unwound them ten yards or so messing around with them
    one line capacity chart lists the EX30 as 460 yards 130lb, that looks about right if filled to the brim

    in any case that's what 400 yards of Power Pro 130lb solid looks like installed on the 30 EX narrow
     
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    the 30 50 80 130 Penn Internationals are all trolling reels by some opinions as all roller guides are arguably trolling rods...

    that's why i am interested in how people who've fish these avets a lot input - especially the narrow 30 EX outside of trolling and kite duty for 200-pound class tuna
     
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    Similar to my recent question, I have an international 50 and a Makaira 20 sea.

    The response I got was to use the international with the kite (like your EX) and use my Makaira for bait and jig (like your HX)

    Fill the EX to the top with line
     
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    ya on the 50-class kite reel - i don't have any use for a kite or trolling rig - the 30 EX narrow reel is capacity challenged for the kite - 80 or 100lb leader should top off my EX just fine

    right now the plan for the EX will serve as my heavy flat fall rig to pull the beasts up from the depths with rail assist on a Grafighter 6' 760H roller rod...
     
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    I have an HX-R and a 30W I just got.

    The HX is spooled with 450 yards of 80# JBHC step-spliced to 100 yards of 130# JBHC then a short fluoro leader. Its weight and gear ratios make it great for jigging for tuna. Live/chunk bait works as well.

    The 30W is spooled with 550 yards of 80# JBHC with 100 yards of 80# Momoi Diamond mono topshot and room for a short fluoro leader. Its heft and gear ratios make it great for trolling as well as the live/chunk bait fishing.

    The extra line capacity of the 30W allows for the mono topshot which is important when trolling. The heft gives me more confidence when the fish strikes the trolled lure. Both great reels for their intended applications.
     
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    This is how I’ve set up my HX Raptor for the big bluefin on the flat fall.
    I’ve got 550yds of 80# solid spectra to a 6’ leader of 130# fluoro to the jig.
    It’s on a custom GF 770H rated 60-100, this set up is light enough to fish flat falls for hrs and strong enough to handle these big fish.
    Got this one last week, was 190# at the dock.

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    wow! one of the bad boys

    u got a pic of your FF rig?

    how many lbs of drag on full spool?
    how are you setting the drag (direct pull off reel or under rod bend)?
    about how much line did it take out?

    when you're retrieving, about where do you have the lever (at strike)?
    how u working it when bit?

    i'm trying to learn how to do that...any tips tricks or advise greatly appreciated (especially getting on the right boat)
     
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    Here’s the flat fall I rigged up, it lost an eye in the fight
    Drag set to 27# at strike, was dropping down past 300’ and was bit on the retrieve at about 200’

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    Thanks for doing the legwork on this geebee, I appreciate the write up. I took my EX setup out on an overnight just to get the line wet and test the setup. I used a 200g flatfall rigged the same as BASSMITH's above. It didn't seem like the high gear moved enough line to get the jig really swimming on the retrieve. Thoughts?
     
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    that's precisely why i am asking the question about gear ratios and deep-fishing technique (100-300 feet) a 160-250g butterfly flatfall on an EX 30

    is the Avet PRO EX 30 reel fast enough to fish Shimano Flat-Falls on retrieve?

    my gut instinct is we don't need to burn up the retrieve (slower than yoyo for yellowtail) - a medium speed may prove effective - that may be a faster crank on the EX and a medium crank on the HX

    my money would be on a steady medium retrieve speed (a faster crank on the EX but not so fast as to tire you out)
     
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    as a side note

    *Shimano TLD 30 and TLD 20 reels both
    have 4.0:1 (high) / 1.7:1 (low) gear ratios
    move 37 inches in high and 16 inches in low per crank

    *Okuma MK 20IISEa
    has 3.8:1 (high) / 1.3:1 (low) gear ratios
    moves 39.4 inches in high and 17.5 inches in low per crank

    *tackledirect.com website
     
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    Did you catch it on the Large hook, or the assist hooks? I'm wondering if you even need those assist hooks there
     
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    Got it on both assist hooks in the top of the mouth,
    the jig was swinging around inside it’s mouth and at some point it bit down on the jig, it lost its eye.
    Didn’t really need the single hook in this case, but if the assist hooks had failed it was there for back up.
     
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