Area 13 Emergency ESA Closure

critterkiller

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Of course just when the fish enter the system. Kinda like area 10 first week of August. Lets shut it down just when the opportunity presents.

Glad my boys fishing license is free otherwise I wouldn't bother anymore. Keep seeing these sweet boats being loaded onto barges bound for AK. I guess there is a valid reason.

Think the tribes have any influence in this decision?
 
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Hunter Dan

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Ok, so without a permit from the feds we can not authorise any fishery or activity that has 'take' of an endangered species. For a number of years now we have not had a 4D permit that has more than a years length. Our last submittal of a multi year Chinook management plan was deemed insufficient, leaving us stuck in a year to year Section 7 permit situation. The window between the end of the NOF/PFMC season setting process and the Section 7 consultation period leaves a gap in permit coverage forcing the potential closure. The year round fishing piers get hit with this as well.
Not a A13 specific screw job, so much as the overall suckiness of beauracracy and the many many failures of the ESA.
 
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fishbadger

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    Ok, so without a permit from the feds we can not authorise any fishery or activity that has 'take' of an endangered species. For a number of years now we have not had a 4D permit that has more than a years length. Our last submittal of a multi year Chinook management plan was deemed insufficient, leaving us stuck in a year to year Section 7 permit situation. The window between the end of the NOF/PFMC season setting process and the Section 7 consultation period leaves a gap in permit coverage forcing the potential closure. The year round fishing piers get hit with this as well.
    Not a A13 specific screw job, so much as the overall suckiness of beauracracy and the many many failures of the ESA.
    Thanks for the explanation, I believe this happened a few years back. Not much happening at the moment anyways, so I don't think it's a huge impact. Do you know when the gap period ends (and when the agreed upon fishery can resume)? Asking for a friend 8-),
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    Hunter Dan

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    Thanks for the explanation, I believe this happened a few years back. Not much happening at the moment anyways, so I don't think it's a huge impact. Do you know when the gap period ends (and when the agreed upon fishery can resume)? Asking for a friend 8-),
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    Can't remember exactly off the top of my head. Going through review, public comment and formal adoption of the LOAF now. I betcha about the time everyone's halibut, ling and shrimp jones get somewhat dealt with you'll be greasing your salmon reels and pinching barbs on new lures:-)
     
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    FishPimpII

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    Anyone know if any updates on this? Has anyone heard if “they” (Wdfw or anyone else involved) have a timeline on when this years permit will be processed?
     
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    Cwillis

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    It is extremely disappointing and no real public explanation of how/why this happened. Zero accountability.
     
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    hawksfan75

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    The guy on Saturday's episode of The Outdoor Line indicated it would be a "matter of days." Using my government translation filter, that translates to roughly August is my guess...
     
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    Area13

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    Nothing yet. Really wanted to do ling and king tomorrow in MA13. Got a response from the wdfw a few minutes ago from an email i sent this morning, nothing new.
    Also, talked to Mark Yuasa this morning and he said they were trying to open it for this weekend if the ereg came out.
     
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    koopa

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    Nothing yet. Really wanted to do ling and king tomorrow in MA13. Got a response from the wdfw a few minutes ago from an email i sent this morning, nothing new.
    Also, talked to Mark Yuasa this morning and he said they were trying to open it for this weekend if the ereg came out.
    You heard anything else on this? Really frustrating. We just suppose to keep refreshing the emergency rules page. :hali_parkutuli:
     
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    Area13

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    Fricken nothing! Keep waiting for the wdfw email. Would love to drag some gear around MA13 this weekend with this weather.
     
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    Fish_on!

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    Fricken nothing! Keep waiting for the wdfw email. Would love to drag some gear around MA13 this weekend with this weather.

    You could always do some catch and release dog fishing. Not your fault if a salmon hits your dogfish gear.
     
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    Cwillis

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    I got this email this am which was very illuminating:

    Hi Casey,

    Marine area 13 is temporarily closed to salmon fishing. Salmon fisheries in Marine Area 13 will re-open when ESA authorization is received for the proposed 2021-22 Puget Sound salmon fishing package. This process is usually quick but we do not have an exact date on when the season will reopen. Keep an eye on the WDFW emergency rule change page for updates.

    Thank you,
     
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    FishPimpII

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    I got this email this am which was very illuminating:

    Hi Casey,

    Marine area 13 is temporarily closed to salmon fishing. Salmon fisheries in Marine Area 13 will re-open when ESA authorization is received for the proposed 2021-22 Puget Sound salmon fishing package. This process is usually quick but we do not have an exact date on when the season will reopen. Keep an eye on the WDFW emergency rule change page for updates.

    Thank you,
    I want to see the “friendly” email you sent this time... Did you complement them for their precision time management skills or their stellar communication!?!
     
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    Cwillis

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    I want to see the “friendly” email you sent this time... Did you complement them for their precision time management skills or their stellar communication!?!
    It was more friendly than the last one Jeff. Now that my kids are now on a steady diet of sugary soda, fast food and violent video games on weekends instead of fishing and I no longer need to responsibly parent my children out on a boat while teaching them about real life I am also living my best life. So it was just a casual check in with one of my favorite agencies.
     
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    koopa

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    Nope, been here 40 years. There is a springer run and the tribes net minter pretty often, but was mainly asking about ceremonial and subsistence fishing. Was curious if they are being held to the same standard.
     
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    The Peddler

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    Nope, been here 40 years. - Was curious if they are being held to the same standard.
    I'm poking fun, so don't get offended: If you've been here 40-years, you should already know there's a double-standard.
     
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    Area13

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    Called wdfw today and they said it’s usually a 1-2 week approval and it’s 3 weeks now. She said they’re gonna open asap when they get fed approval.
     
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