ANYONE REMEMBER THE TOTOABA - Sea of Cortez?

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  1. geebee

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    THE NEAR-EXTINCTION OF THE SPECIES CAME WITH STUNNING RAPIDITY

    by Gene Kira, "Western Outdoor News" (full story and source: www.mexfish.com)

    The dramatic story of the totoaba — Mexico's little-known giant croaker — is a lesson in how quickly and easily an enormous fish population can be wiped out.

    I first learned of the totoaba when it's pure white fillets were sold as "totuava," a common English spelling, in neat, plastic-wrapped packages on Southern California supermarket shelves in the early 1960s — and then mysteriously and quietly disappeared again after only a few seasons.

    At that time, I was unaware of the fantastic fish slaughter going on only 150 miles away, at the extreme north end of Mexico's SEA OF CORTEZ. I was also unaware that the swift disappearance of those plastic-wrapped packages was merely the final act of a fascinating tale that had its origins in the very early years of the past century...
     
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    Lots of them still around in the upper Cortez....not the huge ones though.
     
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    With the current price of $10,000 to $25,000 per fish bladder, they will be extinct soon. The bladders were up to $137,000 per bladder in 2011. I just wish they discovered that seals or sea lion bladder is a replacement for Viagra.

    https://qz.com/468358/how-chinas-fi...-out-species-on-the-other-side-of-the-planet/
     
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    It's all hocus pocus black magic elixir. Substitute with Cal. seal bladder and market to the Chinese with tales of outstanding performance to their manhood!
     
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    Yeah, right up there with all the other backwards Bronze Age practices. I'll be polite and keep religion out of this.
    But seriously, why isn't some smart young businessman farming them and slinging the bladders to that market of desperate halfwits?
     
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    The Totoaba being harvested today are hatchery fish from a few years ago. Mexico initiated a hatchery program very similar to our white seabass effort here in SoCal. The giant croakers grow very slowly and live many years. Not commercially viable as a farm fish.
     
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    Some of them are,
    Totuava were being fished
    (sport and commercial)
    for the whole time the hatcheries were being conceived, built and put into service.

    When Vincente Fox was inaugurated a friend of mine provided Totuava for the banquet.
     
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    as a kid the old man used to tell storys about catching 100lb+ tortuava at san felipe way back in the day. always thought it was bullshit. glad to kknow it wasn't. thanks for this
     
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    No it wasn't.

    Typical of the sort of decision Mexico makes where they could have had a thriving sport fishing economy in San felipe a privileged few accept bribes to allow the golden goose to be killed.


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    Where was that picture taken?
    I read the totoaba meat is very similar in taste and texture to white seabass (one of the best tasting fish in the sea)
    I wasn’t aware their bladders were selling $10k-$25K per fish?

    I think the masses that kill a fishery (or environment) out of sport greed ignorance or money are more of the group who make things happen, Vs Mexicans who later said what happened

    I had occasion to follow the Colorado river down to where it (used to) empty in the Gulf of Mexico aka sea of Cortez - I’ll see if I can add a few words on that...
     
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    The picture was taken in San Felipe and Totuava makes white sea bass taste like butt.
    They are better eating than the cabrilla down there that are a grouper and "gourmet" eating in their own right because a main part of their (the Totuava) diet is the San felipe blues (shrimp).

    yeah go ahead and start in on the water flowing south but know this:
    if we sent 4x as much water south at Morelos dam Mexico would cultivate 4x as much of the fertile Mexicali valley and still no water would make it to the sea.
     
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