And... yet another skipjack rebuild. Help needed

Fishbones

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One Off 28' Custom Built Skipjack (SOUTHWESTERN) & 18' Sylvan (Short Runs)
I do all transoms in epoxy, Decks and pilothouses I use Vinylester. For a few dollars more it’s worth the piece of mind.... I know a lot of people use Vinylester with great success... I just don’t want to have to come back and do it again if it fails
 

Basscatjosh

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Looks awesome! I will contact them too
A&J Marine welding built my current bracket and was $1000 less than Armstrong. I’ve had two Armstrong’s in the past and the A&J is right there in quality.


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Basscatjosh

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Got a couple hours to put in some demo work. Cut out the back half deck and did several test cuts along the stringers. Looks like I'll be replacing pretty much all and any wood in the boat. Not a surprise, I expected worst case scenario. The deck wood is in perfect condition. It's a shame because I don't intend to reuse any of it. Having to redo everything gives me the opportunity to get a much larger gas tank in though. Fiberglass materials are coming via freight train and saved me about $150 in shipping over ups ground. Found a local coosa dealer and the price is much more reasonable than listed prices from online vendors. Progress will be slow for the next couple weeks but I'll post when any work gets done.

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Basscatjosh

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I've seem to hit a strange snag and I'm curious if anyone else has dealt with this. Where the outboard bracket is suppose to land on the transom for a motor with a 25" shaft, the swim platform lands directly over the original scupper holes. I don't mind having to move them to the side of the boat I'm just curious if anyone else had this happen. Could my bracket be landing too low? Do I have to run a 30" shaft? I was hoping to keep the motor lower for center of gravity sake. Any input, I'm all ears.
 

Fishbones

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How did you determine the height?
 

Basscatjosh

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How did you determine the height?
Height was determined by the shaft length of the motor and the company building the bracket. Its their specs. The placement land directly over the scuppers so those will be moved as well. Not a huge deal since I'm replacing the entire transom anyways. I would have had to redrilled them through the coosa so I'll just figure out the scupper location after it is back together and I can see how it sits on the water.
 

Basscatjosh

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Got to do a little more demo work. I cut some more of the stringers out and cut the transom skin out as well. Removed the first layer of ply and half of the second layer from the transom. They used nails to hold the two pieces of ply together in the transom. Ordered the bracket from Aandjmarine (thanks fishbone) and it is 8-10 weeks out. Corona has slowed production of pretty much every industry. Fiberglass supplies will be here next week but it will be a few weeks before I'm ready to start adding any new glass I'm guessing. Shoutout to blackmankirk who had the same boat built a few years ago. He helped me with some details on my build. For anyone in the future wondering about the bracket, transom angle is 10° and with a 25" shaft the swim platform lands directly over the scuppers. Blackmankirk had the same shaft length and the same issue. Checkout his build thread for better pictures of how the 24 Skippy sits on the water with a bracket.

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Basscatjosh

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Got a little more demo work done today. Got almost all the wood on the transom off and cut down the stringer glass. Cleaned everything up for a fresh start tomorrow morning before work. Now the only hang up I am hitting is sourcing a new Suzuki motor. Every dealer in California charges thousands more than dealers anywhere else and noone will ship a motor. All the dealers in California also require that they rig and install the motor if they sell it. It ends up costing 6-7 thousand more going that route over out of state dealers. I'm calling all the Suzuki dealers in California and hopefully I can find one that will just sell me the motor in the crate. If anyone knows of a Suzuki dealer that will sell a crate motor please let me know. I'm looking for a df300apxw2. Materials, bracket and everything else is either shipped or on order and ready to go. Just need to source the motor. I'm also looking for a power steering setup. Uflex or seastar? Any opinions on either product?

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Michael Englebrecht
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She looks rough but I think she will be better than new somesay. Some back story on the boat. She was in a field in the middle of nowhere and the farmer that sold it to me had to drag it out with a tractor. All 4 tires and rims were shot, I had to bring wheels when I went to pick her up and we swapped them out in the dirt. The farmer had a air compressor and impact, thank God. Lugs were all Rusty and would have been an nightmare by hand. Him changing the wheels out and dragging it out of the field was worth the $100 I paid him for the boat. Bearing buddies accepted grease and she towed just fine over 2 hours back home. Going to repower with an Armstrong bracket and 300 Suzuki. Hope it's enough power to push her sufficiently.
On the new 24 we have a 150 4 stroke. 300 will be fine.
Great speaking with you yesterday!
BigMike
 

Basscatjosh

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Finally got a little more work done. Transom should be completely prepped by the end of the week. Picked up all my epoxy and 1708 last week, coosa will be here the end of this week. I decided to go 1.5" coosa laminated to 3/4" in stead of 3 pieces of 3/4". My plan is to install the new transom next week and then continue cutting and grinding the stringers. I have to cut out the rest of the floor so I wanted to install the new transom for rigidity.

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I forgot to ask a question I had. I was thinking of screwing some melamine board or something similar to the outside of the hull so that I could gel coat and repair the I/o cutout from the inside before the coosa, instead of repairing the hole from the outside after the coosa is in. Does this seem feasible? I know they say don't use epoxy with gelcoat but I watched some testing Andy at boatworks did and it seemed to bond solidly. I'd like to avoid as much sanding and fairing as possible and this seemed the least laborious way of going about it to me. I'm open to suggestions, experiences or opinions. Thank you.
 

Travis_S

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What material are you using on the stringers? I am picking up 24' open that is going to be gutted, so I am interested in what you are doing! Keep up the good work! What part of Northern California?
 

Basscatjosh

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What material are you using on the stringers? I am picking up 24' open that is going to be gutted, so I am interested in what you are doing! Keep up the good work! What part of Northern California?

I will be using 1.5" coosa for all stringers and 3/4" coosa for the bulkheads.
 

Basscatjosh

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Haven't had time to work on the Skippy the last couple weeks. Halibut bite was WFO and the salmon bite was WFO and then the bluefin showed up in our waters off the coast of norCal! I did get the transom completely removed, made templates for the new transom and feathered out the I/o hole prepping for new glass. Here's a pic of my first ever norCal bluefin from this past week. It was 150+lbs.

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Finally got some time to get back on the boat project. Screwed a piece of plexiglass backed by plywood to the outside of the transom and then gel coated and glassed the inside with 6 layers of 1708. Epoxy resin is definitely different then poly. Doesn't go as clear as poly but man it sure is nice having all of that working time! Used a 2x6 to keep the transom somewhat flat because it gets a little wonky with all the old wood removed. I just attached it through the scupper holes. Those will get closed in tomorrow as well as sanding and hopefully getting a couple full width pieces of 1708 laid in.

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Moving along. Going out to chase tuna again tomorrow so I wanted to get some work done today. Removed the boards and sanded the repaired I/o hole flat with the rest of the transom. Then sanded the entire transom with 80 grit. Cleaned with acetone and then shes ready for some thickened epoxy to flatten the entire area. Troweled it on with some real wide sheetrock knives and waited for it to set up a little. While it was still wet I layed the first full width sheet of 1708 and squeegeed and fin rolled all the air out as well as removing excess resin. Rewetted the surface and then did the same with the second sheet. It doesn't show well in pictures but I can't believe how well it layed out. No air or excess resin, she is solid. Also got the new gas tank delivered today! I decided to go poly. Found one that will fit in the original place but is several inches longer. So I'll be moving the bulkhead behind the gas tank back a bit. No biggy it had to come out anyways. It's a 111 gallon tank. Not as big as I wanted but plenty for most single day trips.

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I forgot to mention something. On all the flat surface the squeegee really seemed to pop the air bubbles better than the fin roller. I continued to work the area with the squeegee as the epoxy was starting to tack slightly and that's when the air seemed to pop really easy. The fin roller did a better job along the edges at removing air and laying the cut edges down flat.
 
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Basscatjosh

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Got the first sheet of 3/4 coosa cut and shaved to size. Now I can use it to cut the 1.5" piece to size. I will be getting back to the dirty work tomorrow and grinding and sanding all the areas where the tabbing will go. It's pretty miserable with triple digit or near triple digit days here lately. I didn't get to go out and chase tuna on Friday because my little sister wanted to fish and I didn't want to put her through that boredom so I took her on a potluck day. She had a good time with a couple limits of halibut, a couple salmon and 10-12 rockfish.

One question about the transom though. How large of a gap can I have around the coosa where it meets the floor? I have some spots maybe a half inch or bigger. Is that acceptable?

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