ALL spectra rigs... What are your thoughts?

writebrian

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I have always fished spectra and 70-100 yard mono topshots in whatever class I needed. This year I am switching to ALL 50# or 65# spectra and short 5-10 feet topshot of flouro, no mono (kelp cutter style). In this way line class doesn't matter. I can grab any setup and know it has 50# ready to go. My reels consist of Avet MXL, a couple JX6/3's and Pro Gear CS500 and CS625.

What do you guys think of that plan? Anything I may be missing in trying this?
 
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The problem will be the people that get tangled with you and the deckies will problably cut the spectra instead of letting it cut them as they deal with the newbies tangles
 
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If you have no weak link (topshot) and you get hungup on something it might get expensive. I use at least 3-5'
 
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The problem will be the people that get tangled with you and the deckies will problably cut the spectra instead of letting it cut them as they deal with the newbies tangles

Spectra costs more and deckhands don't cut it before they cut mono. Spectra is the standard now, especially on longer range trips. If the minority of passengers have a problem with your rig, they should have put their reel in control freespool.

I have been running all of my reels, except light iron rigs, with short fluoro shockleaders for years. I think your plan is right on the money.
 
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remember that you have no stretch in your setup. sucks when your drag isnt set just right and you get slammed and broke off. I fished spectra to topshot last season this year im gong with spectra to mono unless fishing in the kelp
 
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Never fished Spectra before...just the old school straight mono...and recently switched to fluoro leaders. Then again, I've only fished 3 times in the past ten years with my most active time on the water in the mid-late 80s. However, having said all that, I caught a LOT of fish my last trip (Sept 2008). Bottom line is fish with what you know works for you, works to catch fish and what you are most comfortable with.
 
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I use 30 lb. Izor to fish topwater for stripers at our local reservoirs....no leader. In saltwater I use different length leaders of flouro and/or mono depending on a couple of factors....oh shit, I forgot what they were.
 
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forgot about the stretch. Will 15-20' of flouro help. Flouro stretches some doesn't it?
 
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forgot about the stretch. Will 15-20' of flouro help. Flouro stretches some doesn't it?


Yeah it will help by providing a little extra cushion. I use 60 lb hollow JB on the salt. Loop to Loop to make line changes quick and easy. Splice in solid to reduce drag and hollow at the end for splicing terminal connections.
 
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I tried straight spectra to fluoro too and it was hell. I think its fine when you fish on your own boat or 6 packs but with a boat full of people its nothing but trouble. You have to remember that mono and spectra have different properties and sink at separate levels, even if you are following your line the spectra isn't at the same depth as the mono and inevitably you will get tangled. When this happens its just a bitch. I now go with about 60-80 feet of mono to short topshot.
 
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Thats how I fish all my rigs and I love it, yellows, tuna, seabass, dorado, whatever, you get some amazing head shakes fishing this way.
 
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I converted all the rods on my boat to the arrangment you are considering. It actually makes it much easier to deal with tangles if everyone has a short top shot. The tangles are mostly spectra on spectra. I use White, Yellow and Gray Spectra to that I can see the contrasting colors in the tangles. It makes getting them out quick and they seldom cut each other off like mono vs spectra...
 
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forgot about the stretch. Will 15-20' of flouro help. Flouro stretches some doesn't it?

Problem with this style is your connection. If you don't serve or crimp, you will have a knot that will not cast well through the guides.
So stay real short 4-5 feet so the knot doesn't go through the guides when casting, or fish 10-15 feet as I do, learn to crimp or serve.

Now, does it matter 10-15 feet versus 4-5 feet? I think the difference in stretch at those two different lengths is negligible.

There was a comment about pay attention or it could get expensive: Brian, I have seen you fish, you will do fine.
But even the best of us get fooled now and again. Our sardine sees a tuna or wahoo, and decides being in the boat wasn't really that bad, and high tails it for the rudders and props.
This means you are now fishing for brass bass (propellors), and if you aren't careful, you will be tangled in them.
And when this is in the act of happening, you will swear your sardine is swimming great: It is. It has just made a big loop in the line, and will embarass you, and perhaps cost you some spectra and your topshot.
Also, be cautious doing the "long soak". This can be hazardous to your spectra too.
 
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I say go for it !
 
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I fish long soaks on crowded boats. Both on the east and west coast. Tangles happen,no matter what you do, prepare to spend time, untangling or money, cutting. I'm going to bring rigs with long topshots and shorttops on my next trip and fish them depending upon the current conditions.
 
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I know that some people do not like the extra drag that hollow braid creates but you can slice out damaged sections eliminating the need for any knots and leader changes are a snap with pre-rigged loop to loop connections.

Do any of you have any good reasons to avoid this method of connecting terminal tackle?
 
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I fish long soaks on crowded boats. Both on the east and west coast. Tangles happen,no matter what you do, prepare to spend time, untangling or money, cutting. I'm going to bring rigs with long topshots and shorttops on my next trip and fish them depending upon the current conditions.

I fish long soaks too, but I don't get in tangles very often.

But if I give all the secrets away, who is going to buy my book? :D
 
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writebrian

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But even the best of us get fooled now and again. Our sardine sees a tuna or wahoo, and decides being in the boat wasn't really that bad, and high tails it for the rudders and props.
This means you are now fishing for brass bass (propellors), and if you aren't careful, you will be tangled in them.
And when this is in the act of happening, you will swear your sardine is swimming great: It is. It has just made a big loop in the line, and will embarass you, and perhaps cost you some spectra and your topshot.
Also, be cautious doing the "long soak". This can be hazardous to your spectra too.

Dave,
Why would this be any different then with mono? If he unknowingly heads for the prop with braid or mono you are hosed. Is it somehow less detectable with all braid?

Also, you serious about the book. Brandon's book is the PERFECT gift for my newly converted fishing friends but I learned virtually nothing new from it. Will your book be more suited for experienced anglers? Come on, get some hype going right now!
 
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I tried straight spectra to fluoro too and it was hell. I think its fine when you fish on your own boat or 6 packs but with a boat full of people its nothing but trouble. You have to remember that mono and spectra have different properties and sink at separate levels, even if you are following your line the spectra isn't at the same depth as the mono and inevitably you will get tangled. When this happens its just a bitch. I now go with about 60-80 feet of mono to short topshot.


simple solution, stay away from the stern crowd, fish the bow!!! just as productive, less people to deal with. less people, less chance of tangle. you'll usually find good anglers running up to the bow with a bait, even on the slide. just gotta know which way the capt. sets up the drift.

damn!!! i might have let one out the bag....
 
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Dave,
Why would this be any different then with mono? If he unknowingly heads for the prop with braid or mono you are hosed. Is it somehow less detectable with all braid?

Well, losing 10-12 feet of mono when you have a long topshot? Not that big of deal.

Losing 10 feet of spectra when you are in the props, which includes your topshot, is a bigger deal.

Also, you serious about the book. Brandon's book is the PERFECT gift for my newly converted fishing friends but I learned virtually nothing new from it. Will your book be more suited for experienced anglers? Come on, get some hype going right now!

I'm not trying to educate the newer anglers, I'm trying to accent and improve the better more experienced anglers game.

We'll see, very early stages of it right now.
 
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