Advise Needed For New Gun Purchase

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To celebrate / commemorate a special occasion, my wife suggested that I purchase my favorite gun in the world. This came up as we were watching Rifleman and she knows I have always wanted a 44-40 like Lucas uses. But being pragmatic, I have never purchased one (though I did find a place that sells a real good replica). My response was that my favorite gun is probably a Barrett BMG 50. I have looked (on the internet) at them before, so I figured it would be $10K, but given the occasion I have in mind, that would be OK (or at least I feel that way now, having consumed dos tecates in preparation for tonight's USC game).

So my question is, would that be a good choice, and if so, since it seems that there are several different options models to choose from -- what would be the best choice? In that regard, is a BMG 50 even legal in California (I can always move, getting kind of tired living here anyway).

If a BMG is not the best choice, what is? I don't want a high-dollar Perazzi -- it is more fun to shoot with my Berretta. The way I look at it, if you have a Perazzi, you better beat everyone else. I love it when I win with my Beretta. I don't "need" any other gun -- I have something adequate for every occasion (although I sold my AR-15 -- I just really don't have a big desire for another).

I am excited to get a new gun that I will be really happy to own and shoot, but don't know what to get (or where to get it).

Any advice, please?
 
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There are some counties in Colorado where full auto is legal. You could go for the full ma deuce! Of course, you might not want to live in a rural county in eastern Colorado!
 
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The M2 is the standard .50 machine gun so it was a joke rather than serious comment. Certainly not a sniper rifle like the BMG. You're looking at one of the Barrett .50 BMG semi autos?
 
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The M2 is the standard .50 machine gun so it was a joke rather than serious comment. Certainly not a sniper rifle like the BMG. You're looking at one of the Barrett .50 BMG semi autos?
Yes, I want a semi-auto .50 BMG. A little reading suggests it's totally illegal in California but that there is a .416 version that is legal. If I can't get a 50, I think I will buy that. Thoughts?
 
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It's still a cannon by California standards... and pretty much everyplace else too!
 
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Consider the the cost of ammo before buying. They're fun, but really nothing more than a novelty. Accuracy is meh, and they're a handful to manage beyond a few rounds at a time. I don't mean to discourage someone from a toy they want, more that I think there's a good change you'll tire of it quickly and then have trouble selling it.
 
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EDM arms sells California legal 50 cal DTC in semi auto.I personally would go with the bolt action.It can be quite the investment.Its next to near impossible to find off the shelf 50 cal DTC. ammo.You will need to buy resizing dies and loading equipment specific for the 50 DTC.
50 BMG was terminated in 2004 by our then governor Ahnold.The 50 cal DTC is basically a loophole in the law...google it.If your seriously interested contact Tom [email protected] He is a retired ATF guy who is a dealer for Bill Ritchie out of Utah and owner of EDM arms.
 
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Consider the the cost of ammo before buying. They're fun, but really nothing more than a novelty. Accuracy is meh, and they're a handful to manage beyond a few rounds at a time. I don't mean to discourage someone from a toy they want, more that I think there's a good change you'll tire of it quickly and then have trouble selling it.

Since this is a fishing (boating) forum, I think it is particularly relevant to say that, like the cost of fuel, the cost of ammo is one of the least significant costs of ownership. Unless it is more than $5 per round, the ammo cost won't be material to my decision.

But, you are right, probably just a novelty. Still, I am in the mood to do something nice for myself, which I rarely do. If not a BMG, then what? If not a gun, then what? The little angle on my ear just said "do something nice for someone else." And, truth be told, it is nice to help someone who needs help. But 99% of people with their hands out don't help themselves, so ...

So, I get back to guns, what to buy?
 
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Consider the the cost of ammo before buying. They're fun, but really nothing more than a novelty. Accuracy is meh, and they're a handful to manage beyond a few rounds at a time. I don't mean to discourage someone from a toy they want, more that I think there's a good change you'll tire of it quickly and then have trouble selling it.
50 Cal DTC ammo cost me less than $1.00 a peice when loading FMJ.I load and shoot hornady amax which comes out to about $2.25 a pop.Im suprised at the accuracy of my gun and I will never get tired of shooting it.I just reloaded 100 rounds 2 weeks ago and am anxious to go shoot it...its a beast of a gun and fun as hell to shoot.Its a toy that will last me a lifetime and would not even think of selling it.
 
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EDM arms sells California legal 50 cal DTC in semi auto.I personally would go with the bolt action.It can be quite the investment.Its next to near impossible to find off the shelf 50 cal DTC. ammo.You will need to buy resizing dies and loading equipment specific for the 50 DTC.
50 BMG was terminated in 2004 by our then governor Ahnold.The 50 cal DTC is basically a loophole in the law...google it.If your seriously interested contact Tom [email protected] He is a retired ATF guy who is a dealer for Bill Ritchie out of Utah and owner of EDM arms.


First, F arnold. I lost absolutely all respect after he pardoned Nunez's kid. Then again when it was revealed that he had a son who he disavowed. I don't fault him (totally) for making a mistake, but not owning up to it is pretty much unforgivable.

Second, thanks for the advice. It is exactly the kind of input I need. I will follow up on it. (And, frankly, I need to figure out what DTC means in order to even understand your advice.)

-Rick
 
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EDM arms sells California legal 50 cal DTC in semi auto.I personally would go with the bolt action.

I would be happy re reload and have a bunch of equipment, but would need dies. That said, despite really meticulous efforts, I have never been able to reload with the accuracy of factory premium ammo.

I looked up the DTC, but so far, I have found only single-shot in CA. I agree with the bolt action idea (most of my rifles are), but not single-shot.
 
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Hi Nomad-
First, congrats on looking for a nice rifle for yourself. It's good to see people reward themselves for a lifetime of hard work.

I've had the chance to shoot the Barrett M107a1 in .50 BMG from prone and got a face full of Arizona dirt from the enormous brake on the end of the barrel. It's a fun gun to shoot, but storing it, lugging it around, feeding it, and getting support for it from California might be not so fun.

If you are intent on shooting long range and stupidly longer range, there are some other cartridges and rifle makers to consider. The .416 Barrett you already mentioned, .375 Cheytac, and .408 Cheytac. All four of these are available from Desert Tech in their HTI rifle. This is the company that was offered an 8-figure contract to build rifles destined to be given away to Pakistan, and they refused.

A .338 or .300wm would also be good for distance, but maybe not so much for your rotator cuff or labrum. You could spend months looking at long action rifle builders; Surgeon, Defiance, Cheytac, GA Precision, Accuracy International (UK), RPA Defense (UK), and more. You could also have a local builder spec out parts to your demands and true it all for you.

If you have an address in a state that allows for transferables, you may be able to get a full auto pre-ban machine gun that would have to live out of state. My brother in law just picked up an original Russian DP-28 that shoots 7.62x54r like buttered ice cubes for a little over $10k, but they can be hard to find.

If you are treating yourself to a nice rifle, you get to shop for nice glass! That can be another thread by itself.

Hopefully Fjold sees this thread and chimes in.

Cheers,
Kris
 
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First, F arnold. I lost absolutely all respect after he pardoned Nunez's kid. Then again when it was revealed that he had a son who he disavowed. I don't fault him (totally) for making a mistake, but not owning up to it is pretty much unforgivable.

Second, thanks for the advice. It is exactly the kind of input I need. I will follow up on it. (And, frankly, I need to figure out what DTC means in order to even understand your advice.)

-Rick
Google it.Its basically the same round as the BMG.Just slightly differenet case.Contact Tom he will answer all your questions and is local...oceanside.

I also have lost respect for Arnold.Lets just say hes not a pussy grabber unless its his housekeepers.
 
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If you are intent on shooting long range and stupidly longer range, there are some other cartridges and rifle makers to consider. The .416 Barrett you already mentioned, .375 Cheytac, and .408 Cheytac. All four of these are available from Desert Tech in their HTI rifle. This is the company that was offered an 8-figure contract to build rifles destined to be given away to Pakistan, and they refused.

A .338 or .300wm would also be good for distance, but maybe not so much for your rotator cuff or labrum.
If you are treating yourself to a nice rifle, you get to shop for nice glass! That can be another thread by itself.

Hopefully Fjold sees this thread and chimes in.

Cheers,
Kris

I have what I think are a couple of pretty good long range rifles -- both .300 wm, one with BASS (which sounded great when I got it, but not sure what current concensus of opinion is), one without. Neither highly expensive, but both good. Both sub MOA. And truth be told, I really like my .270 win (bolt). Also sub MOA.

So far, my rotator cuff is fine, but my wife does a really good job of making sure I don't suffer any repetitive motion injury.

As for glass, I agree that is half the fun. Some day, I will buy Frasers (or similar), but for now, I am satisfied with my Russian version.

Thanks for the advice. I will call Tom tomorrow.
 
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Oh if you reload that changes things. I shot F Class before getting into fishing, and even though I only had time for a handful of matches a year I was shooting about 2-5000 rounds a year of just .308, so for me, ammunition costs matter a lot in how much I get to shoot. Granted, you would never shoot that much .50, but ammo cost has always been a consideration to be able to enjoy my toys as much as possible.

Can DTC be made from BMG brass? I can't recall, but if not then you run the risk of purchasing a firearm that may not have brass available for it down the road. Something to think about.

The .375 Cheytac is best round of all of them, ballistically speaking. And the HTI is the real-deal. That's one of the best options for serious precision, short of building custom. I've shot the 82s, .416 M99, the HTI in .375, .50, and I think .408 too, as well as some custom .50s and .375s. The very first time on the .375 was to beyond 2000 yards and I was blown away by it as a factory rifle. I come from custom precision rifles, so my preference is a bit skewed, but that's my favorite. The 82s just aren't that accurate. Some can be pretty decent, but for the most part they're a 2-4 MOA rifle.

If you just want something to blast with for fun and bought an M82 I wouldn't fault you at all, they're certainly a lot of fun. My post was only to offer some extra things to consider so you have the most fun with whatever you decide on.
 
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Oh if you reload that changes things. I shot F Class before getting into fishing, and even though I only had time for a handful of matches a year I was shooting about 2-5000 rounds a year of just .308, so for me, ammunition costs matter a lot in how much I get to shoot. Granted, you would never shoot that much .50, but ammo cost has always been a consideration to be able to enjoy my toys as much as possible.

Can DTC be made from BMG brass? I can't recall, but if not then you run the risk of purchasing a firearm that may not have brass available for it down the road. Something to think about.

The .375 Cheytac is best round of all of them, ballistically speaking. And the HTI is the real-deal. That's one of the best options for serious precision, short of building custom. I've shot the 82s, .416 M99, the HTI in .375, .50, and I think .408 too, as well as some custom .50s and .375s. The very first time on the .375 was to beyond 2000 yards and I was blown away by it as a factory rifle. I come from custom precision rifles, so my preference is a bit skewed, but that's my favorite. The 82s just aren't that accurate. Some can be pretty decent, but for the most part they're a 2-4 MOA rifle.

If you just want something to blast with for fun and bought an M82 I wouldn't fault you at all, they're certainly a lot of fun. My post was only to offer some extra things to consider so you have the most fun with whatever you decide on.
Eric,
Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful reply. It will take me a while to digest all of that. I am interested in extreme ballistics (hence 50). I need to get educated. As it is, hitting the kill zone of a big pig at 600 yards is my epitome of success. I can't even see 2000 yards.

I dont know what an 82 is. 2-4 MOA isn't my goal, even at long range. I would like something state of the art so I can appreciate it for what it is.

I don't want something to blast with. Have that.
Thanks for your insights.
-Rick
 
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Sorry, I said 82 as short for M82, Barret's .50 semi auto.

This is a good source of info; Snipershide is where I spend most of my forum time on: http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5530-elr-beyond-1000

Everybody short of the the guys who compete with in the .50 cal classes shoot .375 Cheytac for extreme long range because of how much faster it is, combined with its higher ballistic coefficient. At those distances, a .50 looks like an AK ballistically by comparison. Aside from the HTI there are several custom builders who chamber that cartridge, if you want top of the line, that's probably it, purely because of the trigger options. The HTI has a decent trigger but there are inherent reasons why a bullpup design leads to less ideal triggers, and when you're talking precision that's arguably the most important part.
 
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OK, I looked that up (in between USC's 3 TD's and my wife going crazy each time). Several versions -- which one should I get and why?

I'm not sure if they have multiple chamberings for .375 Cheytac, or if those are numbers based on different projectiles with the same chambering, but that subforum I linked should have the answers. I don't own one (yet), so I don't know a ton about it.
 
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