6.5 CM Rifle Debate

Which 6.5 CM Rifle?

  • Howa 1500 Bravo KRG

    Votes: 5 62.5%
  • Bergara B14 HMR

    Votes: 3 37.5%

  • Total voters
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BadKarma

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Howa 1500 Bravo with the KRG stock vs the Bergara B14 HMR. Pros and cons of each? These the two rifles I've narrowed my search down to and am looking for some first hand knowledge. My experience with 6.5 has been my buddies custom rifle so may be a bit spoiled on that end.
 

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I was in the same boat this past weekend. I was dead set on a Howa (based on this comparison) going to Sportsmans Warehouse and I got to play around woth the Howa, Bergara, Tikka and a Ruger. I ended up going with a Tikka. The action felt much smoother and I liked the trigger better than the others.
 
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Kwohlers8

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Depends on if you’re going to leave it alone or customize it. The Bergara shares the Remington 700 footprint, so aftermarket stuff is almost limitless. If you’re going to buy it and not mess with it, the Tikka is sweet. The Howa is cool, but it’s no Tikka.
 
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I was in the same boat this past weekend. I was dead set on a Howa (based on this comparison) going to Sportsmans Warehouse and I got to play around woth the Howa, Bergara, Tikka and a Ruger. I ended up going with a Tikka. The action felt much smoother and I liked the trigger better than the others.
Ive looked at all of them except the Ruger. I am not impressed with the quality that Remington has released the last few years and I know its a side effect of the multiple buy outs the company has gone through.
 

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Depends on if you’re going to leave it alone or customize it. The Bergara shares the Remington 700 footprint, so aftermarket stuff is almost limitless. If you’re going to buy it and not mess with it, the Tikka is sweet. The Howa is cool, but it’s no Tikka.
Want and out of the box ready to shoot rifle. Im no match shooter, but every now and then I don't mind shooting 800-1600 yards every now and then. And of course, also for hunting.
 

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I could say the same about .300 black. It’s a wanna be 9x39 that only truest works out of a suppressed sbr. 6.5 keeps pace and at times out shoots .308. By no means is it a .300 win anything like that you would use to truely reach out and touch a target but it has science that is proven behind it.
 

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Want and out of the box ready to shoot rifle. Im no match shooter, but every now and then I don't mind shooting 800-1600 yards every now and then. And of course, also for hunting.
If you are shooting 1600 yards (and hitting your target), you SHOULD be a match shooter!
 

el Toro

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I just got bit by the 6.5 bug too. But I went with the grandpappy of them all, the 6.5x55 Swede. And I'm also building a .260 Rem for a mountain gun. The CM is just too trendy and metro for me to get on board with. Reminds me of bearded millenials, drinking kombucha, wearing skinny jeans and discussing the "merits" of socialism. The 6.5 spc surely is intriguing too. It's a CM+, with actual balls.

If I were buying a production rifle, I'd look real hard at the Barrett Fieldcraft or the Nosler 48. If that required too much budget, the Tikka is hard to beat. I just have a hard time with plastic on my guns and I believe the Tikka still uses a plastic mag. You couldn't pay me to own a newer Remington M700. Abysmal QC in recent years. The Kimber and of course my beloved Win M70 are definitely worth a look too.
Here's where I'm going to piss people off... Buy a real hunting gun for chrissakes! A sporter style. Those BR space age looking butt ugly things are offensive to any animal you may shoot at! I don't understand the draw. They are incredibly heavy, long, and unwieldy. Anyone who actually hunts out West (as opposed to one who just shoots) carries their rifle far more than they actually shoot it. Toting that rocket launcher into the field is just silly. Your buddy with a lighter rifle and better boots, will beat you up the hill and get the shot at Mr. Big long before you will with that cannon. Guns like that belong on the bench where dorks talk about 1/2 moa vs .75 moa. The best hunters I know, spend their time and money on getting in shape, buying good optics and boots and packs and learning how to use them. Being able to shoot a mile doesn't make you a hunter. In fact, it makes you the opposite.
I'm done ranting.
 

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I just got bit by the 6.5 bug too. But I went with the grandpappy of them all, the 6.5x55 Swede. And I'm also building a .260 Rem for a mountain gun. The CM is just too trendy and metro for me to get on board with. Reminds me of bearded millenials, drinking kombucha, wearing skinny jeans and discussing the "merits" of socialism. The 6.5 spc surely is intriguing too. It's a CM+, with actual balls.

If I were buying a production rifle, I'd look real hard at the Barrett Fieldcraft or the Nosler 48. If that required too much budget, the Tikka is hard to beat. I just have a hard time with plastic on my guns and I believe the Tikka still uses a plastic mag. You couldn't pay me to own a newer Remington M700. Abysmal QC in recent years. The Kimber and of course my beloved Win M70 are definitely worth a look too.
Here's where I'm going to piss people off... Buy a real hunting gun for chrissakes! A sporter style. Those BR space age looking butt ugly things are offensive to any animal you may shoot at! I don't understand the draw. They are incredibly heavy, long, and unwieldy. Anyone who actually hunts out West (as opposed to one who just shoots) carries their rifle far more than they actually shoot it. Toting that rocket launcher into the field is just silly. Your buddy with a lighter rifle and better boots, will beat you up the hill and get the shot at Mr. Big long before you will with that cannon. Guns like that belong on the bench where dorks talk about 1/2 moa vs .75 moa. The best hunters I know, spend their time and money on getting in shape, buying good optics and boots and packs and learning how to use them. Being able to shoot a mile doesn't make you a hunter. In fact, it makes you the opposite.
I'm done ranting.
I’m fortunate my employment keeps me in shape for the mountains. But I always view any short coming as a reason for more training. Slow up the hill, more time in the gym and hiking with weight (my average pt hike is 5-8 miles with 30-45 pounds going no slower than 20 minute mile, ideally 15 minute miles). The same mentality for shooting. I’m not a fan of spending a ton of money on something that a cheaper alternative will do, and there is no real excuse for not putting in the time to train and shoot.
 

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If you really want Gucci, see what Hill Country Rifles has for sale in their inventory. None better, IMO.
 
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I drank the creedmoor coolaid myself. It’s a light recoiling and accurate cartridge, but it’s no magic pill. In practical hunting rang, a good ole .270 Winchester puts the smack down on a creed. Even at the 800 yard mark, a 270 has more energy, velocity and 18” less drop, using similar bullets at similar weight. If I were to do it again... I’d still buy a creedmoor (even though it’s the hipster of cartridges) because it’s light recoiling, accurate and ammo is cheap.
 

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If you get a chance to put your hands on a fieldcraft I would recommend checking it out. I just bought one yesterday after going through the same “figuring it all out” process you’re going through.
 
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Also, target I'm shooting at that distance is a truck hood if that makes it less impressive. High end rifle, multiple rounds before a "hit" and target is large.
 

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I drank the creedmoor coolaid myself. It’s a light recoiling and accurate cartridge, but it’s no magic pill. In practical hunting rang, a good ole .270 Winchester puts the smack down on a creed. Even at the 800 yard mark, a 270 has more energy, velocity and 18” less drop, using similar bullets at similar weight. If I were to do it again... I’d still buy a creedmoor (even though it’s the hipster of cartridges) because it’s light recoiling, accurate and ammo is cheap.
The big thing is I want the misses to enjoy shooting it. Softer recoil is a huge plus.
 

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Im also debating getting the Bergara b14 ridge and dropping it in a krg chassis. I really like the krg chassis, very Sako like. If I went this route, I think I still would go with the bravo over the X-ray, but I love both chassis.
 

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I’m not real up on chassis rifles. What’s wrong with Bergara’s chassis?
 

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I’m not real up on chassis rifles. What’s wrong with Bergara’s chassis?
There is nothing wrong with the hmr chassis. That’s part of the debate. But I do like the KRG just a tinge more to make me possibly consider getting the Bergara ridge and putting it in an krg chassis since it’s rem 700 based.
The 3rd gen bravos and xrays use more or less the same parts minus the tail end. In fact, you can change out the stock on a bravo and add an X-ray stock, which more or less is what the the actual X-ray is....