6/27 on the Tribute

Discussion in 'Southern California Offshore Fishing Reports' started by Mnico, Jun 28, 2018.

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    Finesse fishing meaning droping line # and hook size to get bit, and the big fish will destroy and test every link in the chain. Its a game we all play and we are heartbroken when we lose! OP said he landed a #65 fish on same setup, was this bft bigger idk but it was strong enough to bend a small 3x hook.
     
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    Does anyone know for sure if Mutu hooks are noticeably thicker than the Demons? I took a chance dropping down to 30# knowing damn well what i was doing, but i never thought i would have to worry about straightening a circle hook. Just another lesson learned the hard way :-)
     
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    Super Mutu are noticeably thicker, will hinder bait presentation and if your bait on hand are not healthy even more. I like charley browns they are strong but not as thick as the supers. I also ditch the loop and go with modified uni knot for bait articulation. Lately been using J hooks and set hook like circle.

    I think you hooked up in the jaw bone and bent the small hook tip, did not penetrated deep enough.
     
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    For sure Mutu are thicker and stronger. See my reply earlier. I was fortunate enough one one trip to test the hypothesis with a reasonable sample size. 10# max drag for those demons.
     
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    Hook thickness is an important part of the equation, but there are other important parts too. For one, there's the type of steel used, A second is how the metal is treated: some might be tempered to be strong, but that makes them more brittle, and some might be tempered just the opposite so that they are more likely to bend rather than break. And of course there's the element of chance: where the hook catches in the fish's mouth and the angle at which the line is during the fight: there are more likely to be problems if the tip of the hook is dancing on a bone in the fish's mouth as compared to if the hook has firmly penetrated into flesh in between bone.

    Bluefin are crazy frustrating. They're super finicky, so anglers are faced with weighing the decision of how low to go in order to get bit, but trying to maintain enough pulling power to have a chance of landing one if hooked.

    I think that that is one reason why many fish with flat-falls: the heavier line and bigger hooks used with an artificial may not mean that the angler hooks more fish per minute in the water, but it could mean a better chance and landing the fish if it gets hooked.
     
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    Just to clarify. I don't believe Mustad makes a 3X Demon circle hook in a 1 or 1/0 size (39950). Their 39942 series does have a 1/0 size.

    Mustad makes a LOT of different circles for a lot of different uses. Perhaps you were using a different model than a 3X? I could be totally wrong, but maybe you were using their light wire circle?
    https://mustad-fishing.com/eam/product/mustad-tuna-circle-hooks-39951np-bn39951bln/

    https://www.tackledirect.com/mustad-ultrapoint-demon-circle-hooks.html

    I don't use Mustad circle hooks. I only seek accurate information and to say their 3X circle hooks straighten out while using 30# line seems odd.

    On my last trip, while fishing for bf in the local zone, two guys were using the Owner Mutu Light Circle Hooks. It seemed a little strange, to me at least, using such a light wire hook for these smaller grade bf, but who am I to tell them different? Guy number one hooks up, fights the fish for about 1/2 hour, and the hook pulls............or rather straightens out. Guy number two quickly changes out his hooks to Owner Mutu hooks
     
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    thanks for the report. Glad you got one on the deck. The big one that got away must have been a perfect hookset not to get bit off for over an hour.

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    WTF is a tuna hook doing bending on 30# mono? Mustads are made with foreign steel. just sayin'.
    and what the heck happened to that ring? When and how did it get squished and crimped
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    This ^^^ is what happened. It the hook point takes all of the load, The force is concentrated at the bend. The throat or bite of the hook multiplies the drag force and pulls the hook apart like a wish bone.

    Congratulations to the OP! Those are some fine looking steaks!
     
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    I have fone gamakatsu and have never looked back for flylining tuna. For Marlin 9/0 Mustad
     
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    If I am certain that a BIG fish is the likely biter, then I stay with the Super Mutu 4/0. For a finesse bite situation for a strong fish, I take the smallest Mutu, the #4, and add a very strong, small Owner split ring. I watched another fisherman get bit several times --and land all of them -- while I and the others on the boat just couldn't buy a bite on larger hooks. I asked him what he was using and he told me, "A ringed #4 Mutu." I know that isn't an Owner hook size, ringed, and said so. So he showed me what he had done.

    Brilliant! That is now my go-to small ringed circle hook. Have never had one pull or fail.
     
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    That is a crazy frustrating situation where the bluefin stay just out of reach for 1/2 an hour or more. Been there done that.

    Just when you think you are gaining on them they do that strong, slow pull back to their comfort zone.
     
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    Hard to believe you could bend that hook with 30 pound, must of had a defect? Glad you got one and tested your angling skills on the bigger guy that got away. Mixed fish from small to big takes a bunch of luck to hook the right size fish matching the line size. We all get frustrated when not bit and dropping down a line size is mostly trouble! ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Ping! Tough decisions for sure.

    But you can't fight them, if you can't hook them! Four years ago I caught an 80 pound Bluefin on 20 pound and it was a total miracle. On a #4 circle hook too, placed in the exact corner of the mouth, anywhere else and gone in seconds. 6 trips around the boat and 45 minutes later, they stuck him!
     
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    I'd bet that point hit the bone as well for the accompanying change in the loading condition (hook bend is now under extreme bending load). I hooked one a couple weeks ago on 30lb (Seaguar STS) and a 1/0 ringed Mustad Perfect Circle (3X, and what I think the OP's hook is as well) that we got to the boat before chewing off. Similar scenario, drag at 11lbs+ while still taking runs, up to 13-14+ to lift at the end, and in this case the hook held for over 2 hrs. Granted, processing can change the material properties which ultimately determine the hook strength, so can't be sure it wasn't just that particular hook.
     
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    Great Report!!
     
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    The Mustad R39942NP has a 1/0 size - Title is Demon Perfect Circle

    OP, can you please tell us the model number hook you were using so we can be sure this was a 3x hook. Was this hooked used before and caught fish on, the ring looks jacked.

    Thanks
     
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    That ring looks pretty nominal to the ringed Perfect Circles I have, and even to the image that Mustad has on their site.
     
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    I bought the pack at Fred Hall so i cant recall the model number, but i believe you are correct... Demon perfect circle. I thought it was 3x but im not positive. See pic of my last one which was not fished, maybe someone can tell. When i got the 65er i was using the same hooks and pushed the same drag and it did not straighten out, so the replies saying it hit bone may be correct. I can also tell you that my line was still perfect...not a nick on it, when i examined it after the fight. Wish i knew that at the time or i would have backed the lever down a bit.

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    Yea that's almost certainly the Perfect Circle, and they are 3X. I also am inclined to believe you probably wouldn't have gotten that bite with a thicker hook, they've been really picky about low profile hooks.
     
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    Good to know it is the 3x.

    Would the regular owner mutu faired better?

    Any other stronger hook with same wire thickness?
     

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