5 to 8 day rod & reel recommendation list [updated]

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    tunanorth I've posted enough I should edit this section

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    It's been a couple of years since I first posted this list.
    Below please find a general list with updates, and I will add a few revised versions based on specific boats.



    5-8 DAY TRIP ROD & REEL COMBO RECOMMENDATIONS

    1. 25-30 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO


    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ15LD2, PENN Fathom FTH15LD2, PENN Fathom FTH15

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 15-40 pound mono lines; ex. PENN CARBWII3080C70

    Applications- Albacore, dorado, wahoo live bait, school size bluefin and yellowfin tuna live bait

    2. 40-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ25NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH30NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 20-50 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII50130C70

    Applications- All around live bait use for tuna under 100 pounds

    3. 50-POUND JIGGING COMBO

    Reel- PENN U.S. Senator 113N, PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 30-60 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII80200C70

    Applications- Yo-Yo jigging for yellowtail and tuna, casting wahoo bombs/jigs

    4. 50-60 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2, PENN International 2-speed 12VISX

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 7.5-feet, rated for 30-80 pound lines

    Applications- Larger grade tuna under 150 pounds with live bait, medium-duty dropper-looping

    5. 80-100 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 16VISX, or 20VISX

    Rod- Conventional 5.5 to 7 feet, rated for 50-130 pound lines

    Applications- Larger-grade tuna to 150 pounds-plus, heavy-duty dropper looping
     
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    Here is a GUADALUPE ISLAND-specific list from Captain Russ Brazwell on the Shogun, based on his recommendations at the 2017 Fred Hall Show.



    SHOGUN GUADALUPE ISLAND ROD & REEL COMBO RECOMMENDATIONS

    1. 40-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO


    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ30LD2, PENN Fathom FT30LD2 [80 pound braid backing]

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 30-60 pound mono lines

    Applications- Line shy smaller tuna, catching bait

    2. 50-60 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2 [80-pound braid backing]

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 7.5-feet, rated for 30-80 pound mono lines

    Applications- Live bait yellowfin tuna 100-150 pounds

    3. 60-POUND JIGGING COMBO

    Reel- PENN U.S. Senator 113N, PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 40-80 pound mono lines

    Applications- Yo-Yo jigging for yellowtail and tuna

    4. 80-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 16VISX

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 50-100 pound lines

    Applications- Larger grade tuna to 150 pounds-plus

    5. 100-130 POUND DROPPER LOOP COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 20VISX or 30VISX; 100-plus pound braid and 50-150 feet of 130-pound mono

    Rod- Conventional 7-feet, rated for 80-150 pound lines

    Applications- Heavy-duty dropper looping for yellowtail
     
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    Captain Mike Lackey of the Vagabond also changed things up slightly from the original list during conversations at the 2017 Fred Hall Show.



    VAGABOND 5-8 DAY TRIP ROD & REEL COMBO RECOMMENDATIONS

    1. 25-30 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO


    Reel- PENN Fathom FTH25 [20-25 pound lines], Fathom FTH25NLD2 [30 pound lines]

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 15-40 pound mono lines; ex. PENN CARBWII3080C70

    Applications- Albacore, dorado, wahoo live bait, school size bluefin and yellowfin tuna live bait

    2. 40-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Fathom FTH30NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 20-50 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII50130C70

    Applications- All around live bait use for tuna under 100 pounds

    3. 50-POUND JIGGING COMBO

    Reel- PENN U.S. Senator 113N, PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2, PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 30-60 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII80200C70

    Applications- Yo-Yo jigging for yellowtail and tuna, casting wahoo bombs/jigs

    4. 50-60 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ30LD2 [50 pound lines], TRQ40NLD2 [50-60 pound lines]

    Rod- Conventional 6 to 7-feet, rated for 30-80 pound lines, ex. PENN CARBW765L

    Applications- Guadalupe Island yellowfin tuna, better grade bluefin tuna

    5. 80-100 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 16VISX, or 20VISX

    Rod- Conventional 5.5 to 7 feet, rated for 50-130 pound lines, ex. PENN CARBW760H

    Applications- Larger-grade tuna to over 150 pounds, heavy-duty dropper looping
     
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    Captain Art Taylor of the Searcher could not attend the FHS this year, but I got his updated recommendations via e-mail.



    SEARCHER 5-7 DAY TRIP ROD & REEL COMBO RECOMMENDATIONS

    1. 25-30 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO


    Reel- PENN Fathom FTH15LD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 15-40 pound mono lines; ex. PENN CARBWII3080C70

    Applications- Albacore, dorado, wahoo live bait, school size bluefin and yellowfin tuna live bait

    2. 40-POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Fathom FTH30LD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 20-50 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII50130C70

    Applications- All around live bait use for tuna under 100 pounds

    3. 50-POUND JIGGING COMBO

    Reel- PENN Fathom FTH40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 7 to 8-feet, rated for 30-60 pound mono lines, ex. PENN CARBWII80200C70

    Applications- Yo-Yo jigging for yellowtail and tuna, casting wahoo bombs/jigs

    4. 50-60 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN Torque 2-speed TRQ40NLD2

    Rod- Conventional 6 to 7-feet, rated for 30-80 pound lines

    Applications- Guadalupe Island yellowfin tuna, better grade bluefin tuna

    5. 80-100 POUND LIVE BAIT COMBO

    Reel- PENN International 2-speed 30VISX

    Rod- Conventional 5.5 to 7 feet, rated for 50-130 pound lines

    Applications- Larger-grade tuna to 200 pounds-plus, heavy-duty dropper looping
     
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    The ratings on that series of rods are "braid ratings", and can indeed be somewhat confusing.
    Like most rods, they will be able to go up or down slightly in line application, the "sweet spot" on each is as listed.
    The above list is based on "topshot test", whether the topshot be an ultra-short 3 or 4 feet, or 100 yards.
     
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    Why all 2 speeds and the most expensive Penn reels out there? International and Torque?!? The Fathom could easily play those roles just fine. I'm not saying the international and torque are bad reels, just not everyone's cup of tea to spend a fortune on a fishing reel. I think it would be cool if you came up with a more "budget friendly" list of rods and reels!!!!
     
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    Not quite sure what you are asking, there are a number of Fathom models listed.
    It is true that everything 40 pound test and over is a 2-speed. The first list is mine, and the rest were made by the skippers named, and you can see that a growing number of skippers now like to see a 2-speed even for 30 pound work, given the quantity of 50-65 pound tuna in recent seasons that were only willing to hit 30 pound tackle.
    If we ever go back to an "albacore cycle", going with single-speed reels for 30 pound and possibly even 40 pound will be workable.
     
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    Thanks for your reply. Where does the PENN Fathom FTH60LD2 fit in?
     
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    The "60" size holds about 200 extra yards of 80 pound braid over its skinnier brother, the "40N" size. All other gear ratio and drag specs are the same.
    There are obvious advantages to having extra line capacity in many situations, although the wider 60 does not fit in the hand quite as comfortably, and requires a bit more "thumb" effort in levelwinding.
    The biggest advantage of the FTH60LD2 over the FTH40NLDN comes for trolling. The 60 has a top bar on the frame, and "switchblade" pop-up harness lugs, making it much easier to use with a trolling strap.
     
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    OK to dislike that rating method. I’m not all that crazy about it. I remember when one of the rodmakers rated their rods for optimum drag. I can sure use that info a whole lot better. Ratings like 30-(50)-80 at least give you more meaningful application information, but still, a narrower rating system makes a lot more sense.
     
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    You are 100-percent correct.
    There are a handful of rodmakers who use drag rating numbers, but the truth is, 98-percent of anglers have no idea what drag setting they use.
    The "braid rating" is equally confusing, at least for us "older" anglers who grew up with the traditional ratings.
    Speaking of those traditional ratings, blame the folks at Truline back in the day, they started it, with their famous "10-80", and "30-130" ratings.
     
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    Penn has rods rated CARBWII50130C70 and CARBWII80200C70. By looking at those numbers, I would think that the first rod is rates from 50-130lb, and the second rod being rates at 80-200lb. That is quite a large spread for the ratings of each. Just for information, what would YOU consider the Sweet Spot for those two rods?
     
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    In both cases those are "braid ratings", which as I said can be confusing, especially for those accustomed to mono ratings.
    I have fished with both of those rods quite a bit, and the 50-130 model has a definite sweet spot with 40 pound topshots, and if you like a "stiff" 30 pound rod it will do that too.
    The 80-200 model is essentially one step heavier, and feels great with 50 pound topshots, or if you like a "stiff" rod for 40 pound.
     
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    The new Penn VISX reels are the best thing to hit the market
     
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