3-turn surgeon knot for floro to mono?

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Hey All: I just watched a quick video on Searcher's "Tackle Tip Thursday" that seemed to indicate that the boat commonly uses a 3-turn surgeon's knot to connect spectra to a short leader of floro/mono. This the first time that I've heard this knot recommended for this connection. I've always used this knot to connect a short piece of floro to the end of a mono top shot and it has never failed me, but as a connection from spectra to floro/mono?

Anyone use this knot for this application? Does it really work? Does it hold up? Such a quick, simple knot to tie...

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Yep
i use it in 30 & 40 and have had good luck.
 
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Doesn’t sound like a winner to me. It’d be good rainy day garage challenge. A little destructive testing before you hit the water will point you in the right direction.
 
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Hey All: I just watched a quick video on Searcher's "Tackle Tip Thursday" that seemed to indicate that the boat commonly uses a 3-turn surgeon's knot to connect spectra to a short leader of floro/mono. This the first time that I've heard this knot recommended for this connection. I've always used this knot to connect a short piece of floro to the end of a mono top shot and it has never failed me, but as a connection from spectra to floro/mono?

Anyone use this knot for this application? Does it really work? Does it hold up? Such a quick, simple knot to tie...

DMcD

P.S. I hope everyone has a better 2021 than we did in 2020...and lets not turn this post into a political rally.
This definitely does not hold in spectra to mono.
 
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That makes more sense! The 3-turn surgeons is my go to for both joining fluoro to mono and tying dropper loops. Never for attaching to spectra!
 
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Say what you want, but I have used a three turn surgeons knot from 80lb braid to 50lb mono in the middle of a hot yo-yo bite (for the sake of time) and it held just fine. Had probably 15-20lbs of drag going and brought a 29# Colonet yellowtail up without issue... YMMV

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Say what you want, but I have used a three turn surgeons knot from 80lb braid to 50lb mono in the middle of a hot yo-yo bite (for the sake of time) and it held just fine. Had probably 15-20lbs of drag going and brought a 29# Colonet yellowtail up without issue... YMMV

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I will have to give this a shot (in the garage) and see how it works out.
 
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I will second everyone here that says is not the best connection for that application - just saying it worked for me in a pinch. I typically use a bob sands knot for braid to leader connections.

I carry some fingertape wrapped knot pullers and remember using them to get the knot cinched hard prior to tossing the jig over - let’s just say I was weary of it in the first place and did all I could to ensure it might give me a chance... worked out ok.
 
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    The seguar knot is tied 2 different ways, but the knots are different. One twists the loop 3 times before the push thru, the other pushes thru the loop 3 times, the better connecting knot IMO. They look like the surgeons, (kind of), but are better for connecting. Unsure how they hold up on braid.
     
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    The seguar knot is tied 2 different ways, but the knots are different. One twists the loop 3 times before the push thru, the other pushes thru the loop 3 times, the better connecting knot IMO. They look like the surgeons, (kind of), but are better for connecting. Unsure how they hold up on braid.
    I think you are talking about two different knots. The first one is the Seaguar Knot. The second description is a Triple Surgeons Knot.
     
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    I have only been tying the second one, which I was taught was the seguar. Great knot for mono to fluro. I saw the first way as a second way to tie it, but it is a different knot. Did not like it. The triple surgeons is different from both. The first 2 require pulling all the tag/fluro leader thru the loop, the surgeons loop just pushes the loop thru itself 3 times.
     
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    Cubeye

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    I have only been tying the second one, which I was taught was the seguar. Great knot for mono to fluro. I saw the first way as a second way to tie it, but it is a different knot. Did not like it. The triple surgeons is different from both. The first 2 require pulling all the tag/fluro leader thru the loop, the surgeons loop just pushes the loop thru itself 3 times.
    I'm getting confused:
    Seaguar Knot:

    Triple Surgeons Knot:
     
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    Hey All: I just watched a quick video on Searcher's "Tackle Tip Thursday" that seemed to indicate that the boat commonly uses a 3-turn surgeon's knot to connect spectra to a short leader of floro/mono. This the first time that I've heard this knot recommended for this connection. I've always used this knot to connect a short piece of floro to the end of a mono top shot and it has never failed me, but as a connection from spectra to floro/mono?

    Anyone use this knot for this application? Does it really work? Does it hold up? Such a quick, simple knot to tie...

    DMcD

    P.S. I hope everyone has a better 2021 than we did in 2020...and lets not turn this post into a political rally.
    I have caught most of my fish with a 3 turn surgeon Fluro to Mono. As for Spectra to fluro or mono, no way. Not enough turns in the spectra for the total friction to be close the spectra breaking strength. There's a simple test; do the 3 turn and pull on it. should slip right out.
     
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    Interesting! I have been calling the three turn surgeons knot a Seguar! Love the 3 turn surgeons knot, it has held up and never failed! Did not use the True Seguar much, but I may try it more. I was confusing the surgeons "loop" knot and adding a third pass. Thanks for straightening me out! Learn something new every day!
    Surgeons LOOP knot-which I am sure you all know.
     
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