Something doesn’t sound right.
I had the same experience on a different boat 1.5 day trip. Will not be going back anytime soon, glad I have my own boat. Trip I was on even the Captain put in the same rail time I did. Not mentioning the name because we all need to make a living just not going back.Hello all...just returned from a 3.5 day trip on the Sea Adventure 80 out of H&M landing in San Diego. I don't do party boats anymore, I have my own boat in the bay area. Although the bluefin opportunity and friends swayed me to jump onboard with 26 paying fishermen and a crew of 8. The experience was one of actual disbelief. On EVERY stop the first to the rail with bait and hardware were the crew of the boat. The young disrespectful snot nose kid named Gavin was always the first to be in the water. While approaching kelp patties he was the first to get a lure in for the premium retrieve along side the kelp. He would actually run pass client to get in first. If you were to head to the stern you would find most of the deck hand, the cook and the father of one of the crew members taking up premium rail space. The father was one who had no idea which way is up and if hooked up would interfere with the ENTIRE boat. They all caught fish which we anticipated would be used for us to eat during the trip. Nope! They were fishing for themselves and kept all they caught even though many on the 3.5 day trip didn't catch any fish. I'm not sure if this is the norm for the industry now a days but if I were to have an elk tag in my back pocket for a client I was guiding and pushed him aside to shoot a nice bull I think things would go sideways. Amongst all the bullchit there was one crew doing an outstanding job, his name was Chad. He was new to the boat and gave some hope to the integrity of the job. Wow. What a pathetic joke. I feel sorry for all those onboard who had to tolerate this crap. UP YOURS Sea Adventure 80.
First statement- yes I have, especially when they think the anglers on board won't catch fish. Second statement-no.Something doesn’t sound right.
This doesn’t pass the sniff test also.
Has anyone in their entire life of fishing on a boat out of San Diego seen all working hands on deck fishing, including both Captains at the same time they should be throwing bait and assisting paying fishermen?
Let alone the statement that 6 to 8 extra fishermen make the whole boat unfishable?
I‘m not saying impossible but way out there.
I guess if both Captains had ZERO confidence in the fisherman on the boat, they may have stepped in to put some fish on the boat. But at what cost? I’m sure the captains have come back skunked before.
The OP posted this originally on Coastside and was encouraged to post it on BD for more attentionThis has to be exaggerated. I did 3 multi-day trips on the Sea Adventure 80 this year and didn't see the actions mentioned by this poster on any of them. First off, this is the first posting from this user (he's had 3 posts, all in this thread, despite joining BD some 6 months ago), so a little suspect to say the least. Second, the boat does rotate the deckhands on slow days, so they don't work every single day. Most of the boats are booked literally every day, so this is one way to keep the crew sane. Third, Gavin is the youngest crew member for sure, but I never found him to be anything other than helpful. Certainly always polite. Almost too polite. Fourth, the cook almost never fishes. I was on the boat for 10 days over 3 trips and I saw him fishing maybe 4 times for less than 20 minutes each time. Sheesh. Fifth, "taking up premium rail space". The boat is 25 feet wide and fits at least 10-12 across the stern. So 3 people took up all the space? I call BS on that. 6th, why be worried about casting near the kelp? 90% of the time the fish are circling the kelp (tuna), are below the kelp (yellowtail), or are on the way toward the chum from the kelp (aka, not in the kelp). 7th, the fish the crew catches ALWAYS go to people who didn't catch fish. I have personally witnessed this on every trip I've taken on the Sea Adventure 80 (and every other boat as well). Hand offs are generally the rule too, so if the crew was fishing, they likely handed off the fish to someone who didn't have one, something again I've witnessed on this boat, as well as every other.
I've been on several boats this year and the Sea Adventure 80 did not have lower service than any of them and frankly the crew was the most polite that I encountered. Yes, the boat is slower than some of the others, but it also holds more bait than any of the non-long range fleet, and that makes a difference when they want to turn a non-biting school into a frenzy. It doesn't hurt that it has staterooms for 20 people, more places for rods than any other non-range boat, and as much rack space as many of the long range boats. I know they put people on fish. The captain told me he had one trip this year with 30 spooled reels. I personally got a cow and 5 or 6 bluefin over 100# on that boat as well this year, so the boat puts the anglers on the fish. It is true that there are a number of unprepared anglers that go on that boat, but from what I saw, the crew literally helped or made sure every one of them got to fight a fish. I don't know what else you can ask for.
I'm not saying perception is not reality, but I believe the OP completely exaggerated what happened, either that or he had an axe to grind, which again maybe is the reason this was his first posting.
I have no reason or nothing to gain by making my fellow fishermen aware of a bad apple, I mean rotten apple, within our industry which I have been involved in all my life. What I posted plj46 was only the half of it, I could keep going. It was disgusting and a betrayal to all the hardworking ethical fishermen within the industry who work hard to earn the trust and business of people seeking a legitimate and fair experience. This is the first negative post I have ever written.I'm finding this to be,maybe exaggerated ? I know those guys and just can't picture what was described as happening to that extent.But i wasn't there so.....
Nothing wrong with my comprehension, maybe you should follow your own advise.Do you have reading comprehension issues ? Go back and read slower next time.
This poster is well known on another site that I am also well known on. He is legit.
Perception is reality, so maybe he perceived this trip much worse than reality. I can see that. Maybe he had a bad week and just was grumpy about everything. But I do know that what he said was not the reality experienced by 99.9% of the passengers on that boat. I'm guessing it was a super slow trip and the captain asked the crew to help hook a few fish to hand off to passengers and the OP just didn't happen to get a handoff. BTW, EVERY boat does this. Every single boat that I've been on, the crew fishes some of the time, and hands off fish, except the cook, on every boat the cook seems to fight his fish. Even customers hand off fish when there are people who haven't caught any. I know I've done it. I've seen others do it.Nothing wrong with my comprehension, maybe you should follow your own advise.
afraser started his post with " This has to be exaggerated. I did 3 multi-day trips on the Sea Adventure 80 this year and didn't see the actions mentioned by this poster on any of them."
If that is not calling the man a liar, what is?
if your expecting any tips, you shouldn't get a dime.If things were as bad as they are being reported here, I wonder what happened when it was time to pay the galley tab and tip the crew. Did people leave $100 or $150 for a tip or did they only leave $10 or $15 and explain why they were unhappy. If the crew only got $200 or $300 in tips instead of the expected $2,000 or $3,000 they might learn a valuable lesson about customer service. I'm pretty sure a 90% drop in their tips would get their attention.
Would you care to share the rest of your story about the trip?I have no reason or nothing to gain by making my fellow fishermen aware of a bad apple, I mean rotten apple, within our industry which I have been involved in all my life. What I posted plj46 was only the half of it, I could keep going. It was disgusting and a betrayal to all the hardworking ethical fishermen within the industry who work hard to earn the trust and business of people seeking a legitimate and fair experience. This is the first negative post I have ever written.