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I don't really see anything as being shot down. Inches per crank doesn't really equate to ease of handle turning. Those that were around pre-BD may remember a Trinidad vs Accurate test of cranking power. The Trinidad with more line per crank killed it. I'm definitely an Okuma fan, but did like what I saw in the VISX series. I'm waiting for my 16 that was on backorder when my wife ordered it, and I just ordered a 20 that'll arrive next week. I don't get the free time to do long trips yet so I won't really be able to report on cranking power on large fish. My plan for the 20 is to use it for dropper looping and trolling for wahoo.
 

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Maybe you can repeat that Trinidad test with your 20, that would be really helpful... I know I bought my first Trinidad because of that test.
 
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I fish a Cal modified VSX reel. The lower low gear is nice. So what about an Avet EX30 three speed that has 4:1,2:1 and 1:1? If it's all about the gear ratios then why not buy a reel with 1:1 to wind in a cow at color? Not affiliated... different strokes for different folks. Cheers...
 
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I don't really see anything as being shot down. Inches per crank doesn't really equate to ease of handle turning. Those that were around pre-BD may remember a Trinidad vs Accurate test of cranking power. The Trinidad with more line per crank killed it. I'm definitely an Okuma fan, but did like what I saw in the VISX series. I'm waiting for my 16 that was on backorder when my wife ordered it, and I just ordered a 20 that'll arrive next week. I don't get the free time to do long trips yet so I won't really be able to report on cranking power on large fish. My plan for the 20 is to use it for dropper looping and trolling for wahoo.

I remember that test,,, I was the one cranking the Accurate 665...then we switched reels and I used the Trinidad and the results were the same....it was done on the stern of the Tracer at the Long Beach Fred Hall Show......it was revealing...the Allcoast days lol
 
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Steve K

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I remember that test,,, I was the one cranking the Accurate 665...then we switched reels and I used the Trinidad and the results were the same....it was done on the stern of the Tracer at the Long Beach Fred Hall Show......it was revealing...the Allcoast days lol
Gear ratio on the 665? I remember guys having trouble turning the handle on the Trinidads and Toriums. Witnessed a couple of battles on better grade Yellowfin at Alijos, and I thought one guy looked like he was passing a kidney stone, he hurt that badly. The other guy, I thought he was just going to die.
 
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"Just take a look at the west coast boards, and you see very few guys using Accurate Bosses as their first line reel for tuna fishing.

Their was a famous test a few years ago, where they pitted 665 against a Trinidad which the Torium is based on. The Trinidad burried the Boss when cranking up heavy weights.

Why you may ask.... Shimanos high end Trinidad and now Torium reels use Helical cut gears which are more efficient then the straight cut gears on the Boss. Second is that the Trinis and Toriums using oversized pinion gears, and their main gears are slightly wider then the Bosses. Third is that Shimano is the world leader in high performance bicycle gear technology. This technology has carried over to the reel division. It shows, because the 6.2 gear train on their Trinis and Toriums just crush the 4 to 1 Bosses! "
 

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Really... put a weight on a 20 VISX and a Mak SEa 20 in a vise and use a spring scale to test effort to move handle. Done...
 

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The first Trinidads were great until you hooked a bigger fish on them and then you learned the hard way. I sold my 20 and 30 after a trip to the rocks. My go to yo yo reel is still a Boss 665 2-speed and it kills the yellows and I rarely need the low gear
 

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Really... put a weight on a 20 VISX and a Mak SEa 20 in a vise and use a spring scale to test effort to move handle. Done...
I'll try to get to this, but it'll be awhile. I haven't even ordered the line for it yet.
 

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I'll try to get to this, but it'll be awhile. I haven't even ordered the line for it yet.
Truthfully not really done deal cause effort has a lot to do with your fishing technique and if you lift and reel down much less of a factor. But for this conversation the curiosity factor can be satisfied.
 
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The first Trinidads were great until you hooked a bigger fish on them and then you learned the hard way. I sold my 20 and 30 after a trip to the rocks. My go to yo yo reel is still a Boss 665 2-speed and it kills the yellows and I rarely need the low gear
apples and oranges.....your 2 speed is not a fair comparison...the reels were single speed.

the 665 I used was a 4:1 single speed.....I was surprised the Trinidad 20 6:1 could grind up a weight easier and faster....
 
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Yellowtail Dan

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apples and oranges.....your 2 speed is not a fair comparison...the reels were single speed.

the 665 I used was a 4:1 single speed.....I was surprised the Trinidad 20 6:1 could grind up a weight easier and faster....
Agreed, my 665 high gear is 5.1. Still given the choice I would still pass on the Trini for anything outside of throwing jigs or swimbaits. My experience with them even after I had Ken do the upgrades and disengage the clicker wasn't great on fish
 
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Y'know, to me there's only three things that come into play here. First you have the gear ratio(s) and then there are two different moments of torque. The moments are the distance between the line and the axis of the spool and then the effective length of the handle. Anything else seems like a bunch of subjective hooey.
 

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not true at all. you have parasitic power (torque) loss from friction in the gear train. increased gear mesh (helical cut) also increases the "smoothness* of the transition from tooth to tooth and results in a more fluid power transfer.
 
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Putting the purse down helps turn the handle also :rodent:

Killed a PV Super with a Tiagra 50 high gear only as low gear was broken LOL I dunno just kept turning the handle

Have used Penn, Accurate, Shimano, and Avet to land Cows. They all seem to work fine to me. Although the 283 on a Tiagra 30w the reel did not feel super solid or powerful. But the fish was a demon and stayed up top for along time

Such nice new gear coming out now. Awesome stuff:rockin:
 

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Some guy apparently had issues turning the handle so they blamed the reel? He switched to an equivalent reel from another mfg, caught the same fish again, had no issues turning the handle, so that was it? Yeah, I didn’t think so! Some fish just don’t want to be caught and you have to convince them, others were drinking with the guys last night and aren’t really feeling it. That’s fishing!
 

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Penn vs. Okuma. Seem kinda the same to me...(honesty check: I own Penn, Okuma and Avets).
Reminds me of the "8 second rodeo" joke; you know, the one where the man is having sex with his wife and says "man, your sister is so much better in bed," and then tries to hang on for 8 seconds.
 

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I own Accurate, Avet, Daiwa, Okuma, Penn, ProGear, Shimano, others? My big YFT reels are Makaira SEa’s. They all catch fish!
 
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Yellowtail Dan

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I have Penn, Maks 10-30 including two 20’s, some Accurates and some Penn Torques

Love them all, different strokes for different folks
 

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this is a perfect opportunity to have a very scientific side by side comparison of both reels. as others have stated, set both drags at the same value, set each handle at the same orientation (pref 90* to angle of resultant load, ie drag pressure) and do a static test of how much force is needed to move the handle. argument over.
 
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brice

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(disclaimer, I will always buy penn, regardless of results, because penn)
 

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Question for an Engineer. Preferably a Mechanical Engineer.

Some reels use helical gears because they are stronger, smoother, and quieter than spur gears, but with the same gear ratio, do they provide more Torque? There seems to be some debate about a Trinidad reel with a 6:1 gear ratio having more cranking power than an Accurate reel with 4:1 gear ratio.

Torque=force x lever arm. Basic physics.

Any comments from a Mechanical Engineer. I'm looking for accurate information. Not Opinions.