Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range fishing Reports' started by Olddog8, Oct 8, 2017.
Surprised no one has fished even testers
Oh, I'm sure Steve Carson can give us a few names of anglers or at least boats that participated in testing.
The VI series were tested via numerous sessions onboard the Shogun, American Angler, Vagabond, and Searcher in the SDLR fleet, plus in numerous other well-known venues around the world [ex. Canyon Runner].
We had a couple of 16VISX's onboard the American Angler at Guadalupe last week, but perhaps even more interesting was that we also had two 20VISX's, which ended up in the hands of relative novices at flylining [they didn't know to get "dibs" on the 12's and 16's early]. Even with the larger 20's, they were able to get their sardines 150-plus yards out into the "bite zone", and of course the 20's are truly powerful tools once hooked up.
Yeah... And I highly doubt Steve that you sent those new VISX tester reels to the east coast so that you could get 20% more line capacity than the Penn published factory specs via some "magical" line winding taking place only on the east coast... (aka: total self-serving dealer marketing BS).
Glad the recent "on the water" testing went well for the new VISX reels used here in the SD based LR venue. Sounds like Penn has better met the needs for our the type of "fly line" live bait fishing here on the west coast... continued success!
Yeah Bill they got a jig strike while trolling for business... its a Super Cow that's going to test out those "claimed" line capacities... and hopefully bring a bit of reality to this self promoting dealer marketing BS.
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Garry, I do not doubt the capacity. But to be on an even playing field I would like to see the line tested and posted on Paulus website. Presently I see TufLine guides choice 80 16 carrier and 100 12 carrier ABS testing at 130# plus. Berkley ProSpec solid and hollow are two different products but without more testing info you really do not have a clear view. The ProSpec solid is 8 carrier, the hollow is 12 or 16 carrier but they use Dyneema. That is all I know, but being the same material my guess is the ProSpec is most likely ABS is less than TufLine.
Really not an issue to me. I will stick with TufLine.
I have been involved with the Prospec hollow project for several years. Recently we did some rigging for Berkley on bait casters for freshwater fisherman. The Prospecs diameter is perfect for filling a small bait caster and fishing heavy windon leaders for Pike.
I did early reel capacity tests as well.
I posted this in several places.. I sent some Prospec Hollow to Paulus to be tested. I then asked Berkley to confirm the results that Paulus determined. They were the same.
The ABS of the ProSpec Hollow is as follows -
It is all 16 carrier.
80lb tested 90.28lb, diam 0.375mm
100lb tested 113.06lb, diam 0.425mm
180lb tested 196.7lb, diam 0.806mm
It is Dyneema. It is really thin.
If ABS matters to you the Western Filament product is what you should be using. I dont care about ABS. I care about capacity. That is my preference. If you have different ideas about ABS there are plenty of other choices.
I have fished the Prospec Hollow for two years now. All prototype line that Berkley gave to me. I didnt land a cow on it yet, but I had a high teens Hurricane Bank fish on the 100.
The line works just fine.
I haven't spliced any yet but the 100# hollow Berkely feels like it will be easy to work with for line that is very small diameter. Given that is 16 carrier.
It appears to emulate Berkley Big Game Hollow as described by Paulus...
The Berkley website says the hollow is 12 strand or 16 strand but does not indicate to which.
Also the website has a sale on bulk spools, with the biggest deal at 8 bulk spools free if you buy 8. This sale ends October 31st...
I thought Dyneema and Western Filament were chemically the same. So the idea that one is better for ABS and the other is better for capacity makes no sense to me. What am I missing here?
Certainly a bit off topic, but I recently gave 500-yard spools of 200-pound Pro-Spec hollow to the crews aboard the American Angler and Searcher so that they can try all of their various techniques with it. Anglers fishing aboard those boats can ask the crews about it.
Steve, continuing off topic, but on Pro Spec, Berkeley website lists 80 lb and 130 lb, but no 100 lb. Are all three tests being manufactured?
Eventually all three of those tests [80-100-130] will be available [plus they are weighing if they want 180 AND 200, or just one of those]. Not sure exactly when the permanent lineup will all be available.
You are correct, PE line is PE line. The the denier size of the fibers making up Prospec are smaller than those in the WF product. Hence the smaller diameter and lower ABS.
If the denier size was increased with a different weave technique the ABS would go up as would diameter.
Thank you John for all your input here, much appreciated. I always learn something new whenever a subject is brought up.
Here is something I just dug up today regarding TufLine from the manufacturer.
Would 60# TufLine be a match for 80# Pro Spec?
That's exactly my point: You have to go by ABS and DIAMETER when talking line capacity as that's all that counts (no pun intended). You don't have to be a math engineer to realize that if one brand of braid is thicker in diameter per stated pound test you are going to get less line on your spool using it... over one that is thinner per stated pound test... and if the true ABS is known you then have a MUCH better view as to comparing diameters... so if the thicker line also has a higher ABS (most likely) then you could use say their 60lb instead of their 80lb where in the thinner line (most likely a lower ABS) you would use their 80lb and DIAMETER would be similar so you would get similar line capacity with similar ABS. I just don't get why some find this so difficult to realize or more importantly let themselves get duped into some "magical" line winding hype (BS) where certain dealers are misleading them with high line capacity figures for their own benefit (profit).
Spend your hard earned money wisely!
Just use the Japanese PE system that is based on diameter and not whatever pound test a manufacturer feels like slapping on it. Problem solved.
Somewhere, there is the optimum combination of diameter, strength and price. We all just need to find it for ourselves. Same goes for fluorocarbon as for braid. So, if your happy place is with Toro Tamer, you like the quality, price and buying 1,000 meters, go with your diameter. If fishing 80 Luis what you want and you use 60 lb, you’re good! I got a couple of samples, 80 lb and 100 lb, to use for pre-made windons and found it very comparable to the Cortland C-16 products.
Fluorocarbon? If the captain and crew insist on 100 lb, and you fish Premier, better grab the 130.
I guess my first eye opener was with “Izorope” I mean breaking strength vs labeled lb test of their mono were/are so far apart, makes you say huh?
I actually think Berkley is the honest broker here.
They are listing the breaking strength of the line as what it is. The ABS is almost the same so, that is accurate to the consumer.
The consumer can choose if they wish to have line on the reel that is ABS rated or line rated. And have less capacity as a result if they chose ABS on the wrong sized reel.
ABS IMO is the wrong way to choose line (spectra or mono). It should be stated breaking strength vs. diameter. Capacity is always key. You cant break 100# stated - but if its diameter is smaller you will get more line on the reel.
More line means less drag variation on the reel which is what matters.
Western Filament Guides Choice which we all know is Jerry Brown Hollow should be rated as per their stated ABS -
60# should be 80#
80# should be 100#
100# should be 130#
130# should be 180#
200# should be 200#
If we used Paulus numbers that chart would change drastically as well.
Speaking to a line engineer from another line company "listing ABS is asking for a shit show".
It comes down to the following issues IMO -
Do you care about ABS or rated line breaking strength?
What is the price for the line vs - ABS or rated line strength?
I think its actually very simple.
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