Found a great spot a month ago while looking for chukar. It's a bit far, at the 14/395 junction. Actually about 15 miles north of there. The hills are nice, there were birds UTA, and it is National forest, so it's totally legal. I will head out early Sat. morning. Call me on my cell if you want to come along. Paul. 714-801-5514. Plenty of water and shade for dogs, too. Almost forgot that part!