Hook choices

Discussion in 'San Diego Long Range Fishing' started by Griz, Mar 11, 2006.

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  1. Griz

    Hi guys. Here's a question I've been meaning to ask.

    If you were fishing straight 50-80# no leader for tuna under 100#'s. Flylining chunks and live baiting. What hook would you use?
    Circle w/ no offset, w/ offset, mutu, offshore?

    We have been gut hooking (and breaking off) a lot of 40-60 pound fish lately using 8/0 no offset circles on 50. Novice anglers with too much drop back or just a run of bad luck?

    Any tips or opinions would be greatly appreciated.

  2. Sactotuna

    The phrase I like is; "fish don't have hands, if he's running with it, it's in his mouth". If your circle isn't in the corner of the mouth you're waiting too long before coming tight. I personally throw the reel in gear as soon as I'm picked up.
  3. StillinScrubs

    I speak from one long range trip, but lots of grouper digging experience in the Gulf of Mexico. If the line is moving from a fish you damn well better be reeling.

    In the case of tuna, I just threw the drag to strike and let the fish do the work. On the school fish on the ridge I noticed if I "let them have it" I would end up with bad results. The cows were all about holding onto the rod for the first minute or two.
  4. tunachris

    If your gut hooking with circles, it sounds like your feeding the fish to much line before putting the reel in gear. With the size tuna your talking about you should be able to get away with putting the reel in gear as soon as you feel the pick-up.
  5. Keta

    I would drop down to 6/0 or 5/0 hooks (super Mutu and EC 2005 is what I'am using) for live bait, I've used these size hooks on cows (I'm not a pro but I have caught 5 cows) with good results. For Pacific Halibut I give them lots of time to eat my bait but for YFT I found that as soon as they take line put the reel to strike. It took me several lost fish to figure this out.
  6. Steve K

    I lkie fishing the circle hooks and picked up a box of each of the EC 2004 6/0 and 5/0. Quite a size difference between Eagle Claw Circles and Owner Mutus. The EC 6/0 is about the same size as a 3/0 Mutu.

    Now that I have over 100 circle hooks for sardine fishing, no worries about cutting off the smaller ones.
  7. wahoodad

    Sorry, but I have to speak up here. The long range captains are saying to use the Eagle Claw 2004/2005 hooks, but only in the 7/0 range and up. Two boats are saying 9/0 and up. The 5/0 and 6/0s will straighten out on big fish gentleman.
    Super Mutus are fine in those sizes, but they have a drawback also. The sharpness of the hooks equate to the hook sometimes lodging somewhere besides the corner, and after you've worked this fish for a long time, it's now at deep color, you pull the hook.
    JMHO, but it is an opinion that has seen this happen on several occasions.
  8. bertram31

    Oh the old question of how much, how hard , what size and so on so on.

    I do like the Mutu circles, thats for sure, but I like them ringed. I have always fished a tad on the smaller hook size. I see so many people taking a 4/0 and pinning a dine onto the hook and the dine can barely swim. I fish more of the 1/0 &2/0 even for big tuna when using dines.

    As for Macs I usually step up to a 4/0, but butt hooking a Mac can be tough with a circle, doable but tough.

    As for chunks, I use 8/0 & 9/0 ONLY in the circle hook.

    Except for a real picky albacore bite, I drop the reel in gear after a second or two after the pick up. Many times the YFT are swimming so fast they hook them selves pulling line with just a little thumb pressure on the spool. Its those damn Albys that can seem to just try to sneak away with the bait and you have to pay attention to the hook set.

  9. wahoodad

    Good point Jack. Albies are pigs, plain and simple. What happens is they eat your bait, and then come back to the "spot", to continue eating chum baits. Sometimes we only see the line jump a tick, or feel a bump. They have inhaled the bait, and are swimming back at the boat to eat more.
  10. Keta

    D'oh!! I forgot that circle hooks weren't standerdized, 6/0 & 5/0 Super Mutu and 7/0 & 8/0 EC 2005's is what I've been using. Again, I'm only a beginner on YFT.
  11. Steve K

    David, you know I don't fish for cows, just calves.;) My fishing this year will be a 7 day in June and then a repeat of the 10 day in early October.

    The description of the way an Albie feels when it gts your bait and swims back for more reminds me of a Bass fishing seminar I listened in on quite a while back at the Long Beach Show. The speaker said it over and over again. "If you feel a rap, tap, bump, or flick of the line, son, swing like you're gonna do a double backfilp outa the boat!" I'll nevr forget that guy.
  12. Griz

    Cool guys thanks!
    We don't fish small baits. The only thing small(er) is chunks. I'm always in favor of a bigger hook (with in reason) on a livey. Just in case a Marlin shows up. The EC 2004 hook you guys seem to like is an offset hook as is the mutu. We have been using a Mustad 39950BL 8/0-10/0 which is a 0 offset and has a much narrower gap. For larger fish that can swallow a large bait (scad, mac, or skippy) the hook works well and it's cheeeep!
    I've always been leery of an offset circle because of the gut hook issue, but since we are having the problem with the no offsets I'll give them a try.

    I do have a box of ringed super mutus, just in case some real tunas decide to crash the party.

    Can't complain too much, at least we are getting bit.
  13. BillyFun

    My recent experience with EC2004 9/0 hooks was very positive. Everything that picked up a bait was hooked in the corner of the mouth. Previously, I used Super Mutu's and although I've never had a problem with them, I like the EC2004 hooks better. JMHO.
  14. fishordie


    The baits you are using and the size of the fish you are refering to Probably will change the hooks the guys have recommended. The 8/0 and 9/0 2004 is a great hook for small/medium size baits such as decent size sardines and Macs. Talking about the larger baits you are using I happen to Like larger J hooks. For years I used the 7691's beggining with size 10/0 and going to the largest version I could find depending on Bait size and where I was hooking them. In large Circle hooks the Mustad 39960 has been highly touted and is turning out to have very positive results again in the larger sizes. Circle hooks seem to have the best hookup ratio, however, nothing feels better than setting a big J hook with a grunt and several short but hard swings. Crap, I have been off the boat less than two weeks and this topic has me aching to be back. Just out of curiousity, You are using skippies on tuna up to 80#??? good luck

  15. ZZZZZ

    Yah run of bad luck or eating too long from the sound of it. The circle is designed to seat in the corner plate as you know, you should be nailing that often... Try a change for sure.

    About the darn Albies yah they got it, then you put it in gear, they open thier mouth to eat another bait, and you pull it right out, then you need re bite. LOL